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Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's
war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars"
defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make
the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an
application of science be successful? Is a militarized space
inevitable, necessary or impossible?
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rshow55
- 02:16pm Feb 9, 2002 EST (#11398
of 11410)
Inquiry
on Antimissile Contract Is Sought By WILLIAM J. BROAD
lchic
- 03:15pm Feb 9, 2002 EST (#11399
of 11410)
While defense procurement practices are highly bureaucratic,
the benefits are equally rewarding, since “the Pentagon has deep
pockets,” he added see ~
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lchic
- 04:28pm Feb 9, 2002 EST (#11400
of 11410)
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lchic
- 08:00pm Feb 9, 2002 EST (#11401
of 11410)
Extremely large numbers can be fairly meaningless. One Billion US
was the cost of the operation for Australia when we helped in East
Timor in the interim period of six months prior to the UN taking
over. Logistics, transport, soldiers, wages, and the rest. So for a
$US1billion one would expect a sizable package of real
accountability.
rshow55
- 08:17pm Feb 9, 2002 EST (#11402
of 11410)
Plan to Stop Missile Threat Could Cost $238 Billion by JAMES
DAO http://www.nytimes.com/2002/02/01/international/01MISS.html
" Building and operating the major missile defense
programs now under development by the Bush administration could
cost as much as $238 billion by 2025.... "
The cost of accountability, the cost of checking for money and
technical facts, would pay enormous dividends for the nation -- and
make us all safer.
The main cost would not be nearly as much as a billion dollars in
money -- but would involve something precious and rare -- courage.
Some key players, responsible people, would have to have the
courage to ask real questions -- and not accept "trust us," an
answer acceptable almost nowhere else, from the DOD and its
contractors.
lchic
- 09:00pm Feb 9, 2002 EST (#11403
of 11410)
Enron hearings will become emblems of the Bush administration.
The themes explored in the cut and thrust of the multi-pronged
enquiries go to the very heart of how the US is being run: the
function and dysfunction of twenty-first century capitalism, the
interplay between big business and government, and the executive's
prerogative to conduct its dealings in secret http://www.guardian.co.uk/elsewhere/journalist/story/0,7792,645760,00.html
lchic
- 09:17pm Feb 9, 2002 EST (#11404
of 11410)
Whitehall officials said that it was becoming increasingly
difficult to back fully the US stance.
Peter Hain, the Europe Minister, strengthened the sense of
growing tension when he said yesterday that Britain would not be
America's 'patsy'.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/bush/0,7368,417857,00.html
lchic
- 09:21pm Feb 9, 2002 EST (#11405
of 11410)
It seems that the 'goodwill' the USA enjoyed for the past months
won't stay good if there is an 'immature' approach to Foreign Policy
on the part of the US.
mazza9
- 11:45pm Feb 9, 2002 EST (#11406
of 11410) Louis Mazza
For once I must agree with lchic! There is absolute proof that in
1996 the evil Bush Administration, lead by his Secretary of Commerce
Ron Brown, conspired with Enron to develop a power plant in India.
The default on this loan is what is now plaguing the Bush Secretary
of the Treasury, Robert Rubin.
Yeah those evil old Republicans are being allowed to get away
with too much. Ron Brown's boss should be brought to justice!!!
LouMazza
gisterme
- 12:25am Feb 10, 2002 EST (#11407
of 11410)
rshow55
2/8/02 8:18pm
"...Missile defense is a valid concern. There are strong
reasons to be concerned about weapons of mass destruction of all
kinds, and the ways they might be delivered.
But we need to deal with these issues in ways that can work .
Not ways that cannot possibly work..."
Couldn't agree more, Robert.
Not building a missile defense is a way of stopping
missiles that can't possible work. That's why we're building it and
it's already having success in tests.
Umpires are only useful when there are black and white rules in a
bounded situation, like a game. The umpire makes a judgement as to
whether or not a rule has been violated or satifsied. He has a rule
book to base his judgement on. That's a very objective environment.
A discussion like this is not an objective environment.
For it to become that, folks would need to be required to stick to
facts. You'd be OUT on the very first call, Robert, because, despite
your frequent pronouncements to the contrary, you think facts are
irrelevant. If you didn't you wouldn't ignore them.
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