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gisterme
- 04:15pm Jan 31, 2002 EST (#11149
of 11160)
http://www.3m.com/about3M/technologies/lightmgmt/learn/reflection.jhtml
This is a link to a 3M site that's about reflective polymer films
that might be considered decals. These are said to be able to
achieve 98% reflectivity at the wavelengths they are designed to
reflect.
However there's no data about how much energy they can tolerate
while maintaining their reflective properties. So, even if a film
like this was reflecting light from a high energy laser, light that
was at just the wavelenghth the film was designed for, and the film
reflected 98% of the incident energy, it would still have to
dissipate 2% of the incident energy without changing its reflective
properties.
I believe the energy level we arbitrarily bandied about before
when we were talking numbers was 1 kw/cm^2 as a baseline for being
able to cut materials. That came from published power levels for
industrial lasers. At that level, the the reflective film would have
to be able to dissipate 20 Watts (2% of the 1kw) per square
centimeter without changing its properties. Not likely for a
precisely ordered plastic structure that has microns thick
layers. Sorry, Robert. Of course, once the properties of the plastic
begin to change due to heating, the reflectivity will go down,
energy absorbtion go up and, uh oh, here comes the smoke... :-) The
energy dissipation in the glass of a regular 100 Watt light bulb
would be far less than 20W/cm^2...that's way too hot to touch. Try
putting some saran wrap on a 100W light bulb that's lit, Robert. See
what happens.
This 3M reflective film is pretty cool though. I can think
of a lot of uses for such a thing. If you're interested, Robert, you
can probably get some temperature range specifications for that
family of reflective films from 3M. I doubt that they'd have direct
per-unit-area energy dissipation numbers, but they might.
rshow55
- 05:03pm Jan 31, 2002 EST (#11150
of 11160)
Thank you for the reference !
But . . . for five seconds . . with good adhesion to a
surface that is (for this purpose) a good heat sink ? ? ? ? Is
destruction sure? 20 watts for 5 seconds is enough energy to
evaporate some water - - but not much . . . let me check this.
If folks worked, they might move from 98% to a higher
reflectance, too.
On some other applications, DIRECTLY connected to countermeasures
for the mid-course interception system - - the heat dissipation
isn't an issue.
And reflectance can be made higher, at least at low energy
fluxes. If that 3m coating, tuned to IR, was put on a layer of
mylared gold -- for instance on a "decoy balloon" encasing a warhead
- - assembly reflectance (at least for low energy fluxes) might well
top 99.9% . Precious little IR radiation from such a very "unblack"
body.
Also, for such a balloon, with angle of incidence equal to angle
of reflection -- return signature, from a radar beam, or a lasar
beam, would be very small.
Some reasons, I believe that some excellent engineers and
companies, with services that can be well used elsewhere, ought to
be redeployed, on a "no fault" basis.
. . .
(More than by the way, there was a line in President Bush's State
of the Union adress, about weapons of mass destruction, that I
really liked.)
rshow55
- 05:37pm Jan 31, 2002 EST (#11151
of 11160)
MD10997 rshow55
1/23/02 6:35pm indicates that 20 watts/sec for 5 seconds might
well destroy the reflectance of a 3m type plastic film by heating --
that is the heat needed to evaporate about a half mm of water.
Without heat flow out --- that much heat would be destructive. For
such a flux, heat sinking would be critical, and maybe inadequate.
(I haven't found data, and done that calculation - but I used to be
able to guess fairly well.)
With another decade on reflectance (to 99.8%) heat dissipation,
for 5 seconds, wouldn't be a problem, even with heat flow from the
film equal to zero.
Again, heat flux wouldn't be an issue for IR "black body"
radiation, or for radar or light reflectance, on a decoy balloon
shield for a warhead. Such a countermeasure, especially in a group
of other balloons less reflective, and therefore easier to see and
lock on to - - might be a very effective countermeasure -- among a
universe of MANY possible countermeasures.
The BMD tasks are so touchy that countermeasures for them are
comparatively very easy. Before, I've estimated that, in dollar
terms, countermeasures might be a million times cheaper than
the cost of developing the weapons themselves. That still seems
reasonable to me. And at that cost ratio, even for a rich country,
these "weapons" and "defenses" aren't worth building.
mazza9
- 05:43pm Jan 31, 2002 EST (#11152
of 11160) Louis Mazza
RShow55:
The 3M link speaks of packaging film and reflective devices for
safety purposes. We've all seen runners at dusk because of this film
on their sneakers and jogging togs. This type of film has been
around for years. I remember attaching this to my bicycle. But that
in no ways suggests that this material could be applied to a missile
body to defeat a laser beam.
I'm glad you recognize that the ABL laser works. Given the State
of the Union assertion that there is an "Axis of Terror" we should
proceed. Reminder, 80+ Scud missiles were fired by Saddam. We warned
him and had he fired WMD warheads Iraq would still be glowing. We
know that the ecological damage of his torching of the Kuwait oil
fields demonstrates the mindset we face. Until we deal with these
maniacs, the BMD investment is wise.
LouMazza
rshow55
- 05:54pm Jan 31, 2002 EST (#11153
of 11160)
Last sentence includes until . . . and I don't disagree.
I've been sending the message, pretty consistently, that approaches
to BMD besides the "high tech" ones have to be considered.
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