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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans
for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be
limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI
all over again?
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lunarchick
- 06:35am Apr 5, 2001 EST (#1990
of 1995) lunarchick@www.com
~ http://www.guardian.co.uk/russia/article/0,2763,461545,00.html
(hotlinked) The US expels ...
lunarchick
- 06:48am Apr 5, 2001 EST (#1991
of 1995) lunarchick@www.com
The downing of the airplane in China won't create much of a stir
in the world outside the States. The most newsworthy aspect is that
the crew .. so many days later ... have no change of clothing .. a
factor that won't be scoring China hygene points re the 2008 Olympic
Games bid !
rshowalter
- 07:13am Apr 5, 2001 EST (#1992
of 1995) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
I'm amazed that the US, a country that routinely threatens
other countries with first strikes with nuclear weapons (and the
threats are veiled, but common) gets so emotional about the
detention of a few reconnaisance people.
A nation that threatens first strikes is being agressive whenever
it does ANY reconnaisance.
One might ask why the Chinese don't just hold those guys until
the US renounces first use of nuclear weapons, and apologizes for
not doing so earlier.
Threaten to kill millions, routinely (and recently at a meeting
between Bush and a Chinese diplomat ) ---- yet get all upset about
24 guys -- just detained -- not killed.
Go figure ! ! !
If the US would REALLY renounce first strikes, missile numbers
could be taken down to a "mutually assured deterrance level" --
maybe with not so many more missiles than China has -- and the whole
world would be a lot safer.
If they did that, anti missile shields might make considerably
more sense - -- because first strikes would make no sense -- because
NO ONE would want to be the country that had killed millions of
(Russians, Chinese) and left the rest alive, to take revenge.
lunarchick
- 07:45am Apr 5, 2001 EST (#1993
of 1995) lunarchick@www.com
a floating
instrument of foreign policy sitting in our harbour
lunarchick
- 07:51am Apr 5, 2001 EST (#1994
of 1995) lunarchick@www.com
http://www.abc.net.au/pm/default.htm
Description US frustrated as Chinese President leaves for South
America [audio] It's back to the future in US China relations,as
both sides harden their diplomatic posturing over the American
spyplane and its imprisoned crew. But now, with China poised to join
the World Trade Organisation, and billions of US dollars invested in
the Chinese economy, the Cold War's supposed to be well and truly
over. Instead, in the space of a few days, Washington-Beijing
relations have slid fast, and if anything the slide is getting
faster.
US precedent may hinder spyplane recovery [audio] The United
States is taking the high ground on internationalo law and practice
when it comes to bringing the spyplane home. But the Pentagon may
have some trouble with a few precedents the Americans themselves
have created. For instance, in 1976 when a defecting Soviet pilot
flew a MIG-25 fighter jet to Japan, American intelligence officials
spent nine weeks taking it apart, before sending it back to Moscow
in packing crates.
rshowalter
- 08:18am Apr 5, 2001 EST (#1995
of 1995) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
Just think what its cost us to kill 2 million Korean civilians --
in dollars and soldier time - over the years. And think of the
lives, in Korea, not only killed, but ruined otherwise. And how
much military good did that mass murder (and descecration in an
ancestor worshipping country) do us during the Korean War itself
?
And Korea is a tiny and weak country, compared to China or
Russia.
The United States, as a country, thinks that indiscriminant
murder, including mass murder, is "all right" if we do it. Or so it
seems.
And seems to think it is a small thing to threaten to do so.
We should learn better. And stop setting the worst possible
example. If we did, the world might not be able to outlaw nuclear
weapons -- though I think that might be possible. But it would be
hugely safer than it is today.
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