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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans
for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be
limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI
all over again?
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lunarchick
- 04:25pm Mar 28, 2001 EST (#1632
of 1641) lunarchick@www.com
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rshowalter
- 04:31pm Mar 28, 2001 EST (#1633
of 1641) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
On increasing transparency, and establishing the essential facts
most important for peace, these thoughts still seem sensible to me,
and practically possible.
953: rshowalter
3/12/01 1:24pm
956: rshowalter
3/12/01 2:17pm "It seems that nobody has anwers to our most
basic questions about nuclear weapons, then the world needs them. .
. . Answers can be gotten by press people -- more might be
accomplished Goals:
"Establishing FACTS beyond reasonable doubt - and explaining
these facts very broadly.
and
" Crafting a fully workable, fully complete,
fully explained "draft treaty proposal" for nuclear disarmament
and a more militarily stable world. Such drafting would, at the
least, make for stunningly good journalism -- that could be widely
syndicated among papers. Useful as that would be, I think the
drafting would serve a much more useful purpose. That purpose
would be actually getting the points that need to be worked out
for nuclear disarmament set out coherently - - to a level where
closure actually occurs. That would involve a great deal of staff
work done coherently, quickly, and in coordinated fashion.
"work . . . . done IN PUBLIC --- say if some Moscow Times staff,
and people from a couple of US papers, some Guardian staff, and
people from some interested governments, started an OPEN dialog
together.
closing : rshowalter
3/12/01 3:37pm
" Historically, presidents left a power vacuum
in American nuclear policy, and people like LeMay and his
proteges, and people in the CIA, and some contractors, filled it.
And now, that conspiracy, long past any legitimate usefulness, and
long since financially corrupt, is menacing the peace of the whole
world, and imposing huge costs on innocent people.
Perhaps I'm wrong about the conspiracy part. Maybe it is
stupidity. Either way, the FACTS will favor peaceful solutions.
If one or two senior officials in effected nation states were
prepared to make some phone calls, I personally believe that this
sort of fact finding- fact explaining effort could be organized.
I've had reasons to think this for some time, and with discourse
here they have strengthened.
lunarchick
- 04:34pm Mar 28, 2001 EST (#1634
of 1641) lunarchick@www.com
On 'energy' ... apart from oil, there seem to be many ways to
create energy, some new and under patient. Provision of systems to
countries may depend on guarantees that payments flow backwards with
regards to patient rights.
almarst-2001
- 04:34pm Mar 28, 2001 EST (#1635
of 1641)
"But ways to check are increasing rapidly, and for that
reason, the truth has much more of a chance than it did."
That why it became so importand to Europe to develop its own
"strategic decisions" capabilities outside NATO, the move,
the US is vehemently opposes. most importantly, this will include
the strategic survalence via satelites. The Europe currently lacks
such capability and relies on CIA and US-dominated NATO which in
turn, uses US satelites.
lunarchick
- 04:36pm Mar 28, 2001 EST (#1636
of 1641) lunarchick@www.com
An excellent point Alex !
rshowalter
- 04:37pm Mar 28, 2001 EST (#1637
of 1641) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
Satellite data is getting cheaper.
And you're exactly right about the need for europe to get
capabilities OUTSIDE NATO. AND make its own decisions. France seems
favorably inclined toward that. Germany too. The logic goes that
way.
And the more effectively Russia can communicate with, and deal
with, its European neighbors, the more compelling the logic of peace
and stability is.
rshowalter
- 04:39pm Mar 28, 2001 EST (#1638
of 1641) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
The US, by "pulling rank" without giving sensible reasons, may be
well on the way towards isolating itself.
In the new world, there are very real LIMITS to what military
power can do.
almarst-2001
- 04:40pm Mar 28, 2001 EST (#1639
of 1641)
lunarchick
3/28/01 4:34pm
As far as I know, there is no real substitution today to the
following energy sources:
- Fossil fuels
- Hidro-electric
- Nuclear
Among those, the first today is still the most widely used and
versatile. And therefore, the most importand.
rshowalter
- 04:42pm Mar 28, 2001 EST (#1640
of 1641) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
I wasn't kidding about the phone calls, either. A phone call from
a motivated Gorbechav might make a special difference. A foundation
that used to bear his name, the GSI foundation, was defeated in an
initiative trying to change the discourse in the US Presidential
elections -- but that organization still lives -- and so do others.
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