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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans
for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be
limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI
all over again?
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almarst-2001
- 12:54pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#1376
of 1391)
"Americans, I think, had good reasons to want to fight
Communism."
Any extream and intollerable ideology is dangerous. But, as I
said, ideology is not going to be defeated by force.
In my view, just as the Comminists where wrong trying to
exterminate religion by force and intimidation of believers, it was
wrong to try to exterminate the believers in Communism.
Eventually, the Soviet version of Communism crushed from within
by failing to PROGRESSIVLY and FAST ENOUGH improve the lives of the
majority of population.
almarst-2001
- 12:58pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#1377
of 1391)
Actually, I am not at all convinced, the majority of americans
had any idea about real life in USSR.
And I dought most of them have any idea what the Communist
ideology is all about even today.
rshowalter
- 01:15pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#1378
of 1391) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
On the question of "real intentions" -- the "reality" is
problematic, because the US strategy involved lies, and different
stories told to different Americans, almost from the beginning. If
"real intentions" require a well coordinated, coherent, expressible
strategy, understood by all the major players, or even most of them
-- the US doesn't have that, or anything like it - and the policy
has become more and more a matter of bureacratic snafus, and
progressively less coherent, for the last FORTY YEARS.
NO ONE in the US has a coherent strategy for USING nuclear
weapons for anything at all involving any kind of first strike. They
serve as deterrance, against a first strike threat from RUSSIA that
military people have been drilled to take seriously, and as objects
of threat used to intimidate people and groups during discussions.
By now, the command and control would be VERY ill suited to
anything at all, but reponse to a first strike from you.
But the situation has kinds of inertia that you might NEVER
understand, until you came to understand some of the inflexibilities
and irrationalities and fears built into OUR system.
The military people in charge of our nuclear forces don't
themselves understand why they haven't been taken down. Haven't for
years.
A big reason is that our political structure, as it is,
doesn't know how to.
It COULD be as innocent as that. But the potential for
corruption is very great, too. And fits a good deal.
Facts need to be established, in a system that has a history of
lies stretching back fifty years and more.
rshowalter
- 01:18pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#1379
of 1391) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
almarst-2001
3/23/01 12:58pm
That's probably right.
rshowalter
- 01:26pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#1380
of 1391) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
I think Russians will be very vague about life in the United
States, as well. I think there are big challenges, before our two
cultures "learn to talk" well enough so we can do business
effectively and comfortably.
That means you can't profit much by stealing our "secrets" --
much more important, you need to be able to understand what we have
"in clear" -- which is a great deal.
almarst-2001
- 02:00pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#1381
of 1391)
"I think Russians will be very vague about life in the United
States, as well."
Absolutly true. But from my limited observation during the life
for many years in both countries, I can say the following:
- An average Russian is much more curious and interested to learn
about life in other countries, particularelly the US.
- During my life in USSR I have seen many American and other
foreign movies, including those, translated on TV. The American jas
and rock, as well as European - particularelly French and Italian
music was very popular and widely known.
- I have never encountered a honestly expressed hatered
(discounting the "official duty") against Americans in USSR. Rather
and frequently, the honest interest and admiration. Here in US, on
those NYT forums, the open hatered against Communists, Russians,
Slavs, Vietnamise, Koreans, Iraqies and any other US "enemies" of
past or de-jour can be openly and commonly seen.
- The official propaganda in USSR and a "free" mass media in US
look very similar in trying to exagerate the negative. The main
difference is, most educated Russians did not believe the official
media. Which seems not to be a case here in US.
almarst-2001
- 02:17pm Mar 23, 2001 EST (#1382
of 1391)
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