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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans
for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be
limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI
all over again?
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rshowalter
- 09:19pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#1279
of 1296) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
maybe a hopeful picture. If they have no ideas .. . . they can
manipulate (rather primative) mechanics.
It is the IDEAS that will be decisive - unless you allow
yourselves to get distracted. For a number of reasons.
This time, the high status, sensible thing for Russia to do is to
go slowly, and to insist on getting right answers on questions of
fact.
I committed a great sin -- after a long day. I had 3 beers. I'll
therefore defer from making any other comments till the morning.
Doesn't it look like the administration is showing
weaknesss of the most fundamental kind?
Maybe, when I'm more sober, I'll see subtlety and honorable
conduct. In my current simplified position -- . . . . . words fail
me.
Did you ever read a famous sermon by the American 18th century
figure Johnathan Edwards? Or some verses by Dante? I must say, that
in my current condition, they occur vividly to me. But I'll defer
saying any more till the morning.
IT IS QUESTIONS OF ** FACT ** THAT ARE GOING TO BE DECISIVE
HERE.
If, when the chance for peacemaking comes, the "powers that be"
start acting like heads of teenage gangs --- people will notice.
Behave so that they do.
lunarchick
- 09:29pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#1280
of 1296) lunarchick@www.com
Not really, seems that people generally (general poplulation) are
willing to standup for what they belive in - if they are convinced
of the necessity to do so. And the things people belive in relate to
primary welfare, secondary learning, and thirdly a desire to achieve
as individuals who can have pride in themselves. This is a
'universal'.
The problem arises when Greedy people put their desires and wants
over and above the needs of a society.
The Wolf-o-witz (what a wonderful name, perhaps a musical wolf
who plays a Wurlitzer (showground organ), travelling from town to
town) guy.
Wolfowitz spent 20 years in Indonesia. These years must have
included those when Shuarto's personal pocket was being lined with
American Dollars ... and Shuarto was mining East Timor for his
personal bank-account. I wonder what Wolfowitz was doing and saying
over this time. Did he have the courage and forthrightness to stand
up in Jakata and comment on the state of the art. Did he understand
it? I wonder! Has he written a paper on Shuarto and American aide ?
That the world is more 'international' than ever it was is a good
thing. Walking down the mainstreet of a world capital city, one may
be brushing shoulders with peoples originating from a hundred
countries. Regular people all look pretty much the same, and have
same wants and needs ... a settled and safe environment in which to
live a reasonable life ... achieve a little, and be proud of
themselves and their families.
lunarchick
- 09:34pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#1281
of 1296) lunarchick@www.com
http://WWW.JonathanEdwards.com/
http://members.aol.com/jonathanedw/Edwards.html
lunarchick
- 09:42pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#1282
of 1296) lunarchick@www.com
http://www.britannica.com/bcom/eb/article/2/0,5716,117772+1+109641,00.html?query=dante
http://www.italnet.nd.edu/Dante/
http://members.aol.com/lieberk/welc_old.html
http://www.princeton.edu/~dante/ebdsa.html
lunarchick
- 09:44pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#1283
of 1296) lunarchick@www.com
http://www.britannica.com/bcom/eb/article/2/0,5716,32592+1+32039,00.html?query=johnathan%20edwards
lunarchick
- 09:50pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#1284
of 1296) lunarchick@www.com
Wolfowitz specifically did not come up on this search: http://search.britannica.com/search?query=paul+wolfowitz+
suggests: http://br.nbci.com/search/directory/results/1,61,br-0,00.html?keyword=paul+wolfowitz&tag=st.sn.srsb.25111.top
almarst-2001
- 09:52pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#1285
of 1296)
lunarchick
3/21/01 9:29pm
I was asking the same questions... Will take a look on the
Internet.
And thanks for the link to Edwards. The English is not my first
and not even the second language. If time and patience will
permit...
lunarchick
- 09:52pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#1286
of 1296) lunarchick@www.com
gives: http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a37e91fd62896.htm
almarst-2001
- 10:05pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#1287
of 1296)
lunarchick
3/21/01 9:52pm
I am sure all potentially affected took notice.
So, the question is not "Do we face a next Cold War?" but rather
"Will anyone remain and remember the End of a next Cold War?"
almarst-2001
- 10:09pm Mar 21, 2001 EST (#1288
of 1296)
rshowalter
3/21/01 9:19pm
That's another difference between an American and Russian... The
Russian may be really ready to discuss the World's problems only
after 3 bottels of vodka;)
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