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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans
for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be
limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI
all over again?
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rshowalter
- 10:23am Mar 15, 2001 EST (#1023
of 1026) 
Robert Showalter showalte@macc.wisc.edu
Two are especially important here -- the most important is SECULAR
REDEMPTION which starts:
. Im dreaming of redemption, ...not denial, not
agony, ....not lies told or ...amorphous deceptions ...amorphously
defended, ...but redemption.
. Redemption for all concerned, .....with a
decent concern for all, ....with feelings felt and not denied,
...weights weighed, and not forgotten, .....needs of flesh,
nerves, guts and mind .....all remembered, and workably in place
....with neither lies nor torture.
. Im dreaming of redemption, ...where all
concerned ....can know the same stories, ....and live with that,
and look back and go on comfortably, ....not unreasonably proud,
...or unreasonably ashamed, ...in ways that work ....in private
and in public.
For redemption in this sense to work, the TRUTH has to be clear
to all concerned. There have to be ways past obstruction, including
the obstruction of intimidation, and the obstruction of lies. That
means that Chain
Breakers have to be made few enough, so that truth that
might before have been "somehow, too weak" before, can
propagate from person to person, until that truth is widely
understood, and prompts action.
******
For practical reasons, the alternative to redemption, in both
the secular and the religious senses, can be severe, just
punishment.
Thinking about the current situation, and thinking about justice,
I find myself asking:
What would Jesus say? .... What would Johnathan
Edwards say? ..... What would Dante have said? ..... What should
Billy Graham, and other religious leaders like him have to say, if
they looked at the facts, and thought about punishment?
It seems to me an interesting thought. It would be hard to
imagine punishments terrible enough for some of the prominent,
trusted, self satisfied people involved.
And the punishments, and the justice, would be
ugly.
rshowalter
- 10:35am Mar 15, 2001 EST (#1024
of 1026)
Robert Showalter showalte@macc.wisc.edu
http://www.reuters.com/news_article.jhtml;$sessionid$IRUNEMAAAA51KCRBADLSFFAKEEANMIV2?type=world&Repository=WORLD_REP&RepositoryStoryID=%2Fnews%2FIDS%2FWorld%2FINTERNATIONAL-ARMS-INDIA-DC_NEW.XML
India Defense Minister Quits As Scandal Rages Last
updated: 15 Mar 2001 14:44 GMT+00:00 (Reuters) by John
Chalmers
NEW DELHI (Reuters) - The Indian government was
plunged deep into crisis on Thursday after the defense minister
quit and a key coalition partner withdrew support over a
sensational arms bribery scandal.
The United News of India agency said minister
George Fernandes had resigned, two days after the scandal broke.
almarst-2001
- 12:10pm Mar 15, 2001 EST (#1025
of 1026)
Oil firms stoke up Sudan war - http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,451982,00.html
Christian Aid report accuses foreign companies of complicity in
mass displacement and killing of thousands
Boom time for few signals misery and death for many - http://www.guardianunlimited.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,452006,00.html
Victoria Brittain and Terry Macalister Thursday March 15, 2001
The Guardian
"Oil companies operating in Sudan are complicit in the
systematic depopulating of large areas of the country and atrocities
against civilians, tens of thousands of whom have been killed and
displaced from the areas around the oil fields, according to a
report to be published today." (more)
almarst-2001
- 12:20pm Mar 15, 2001 EST (#1026
of 1026)
Nato refuses to intervene in Macedonian conflict - http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,452334,00.html
Staff and agencies Thursday March 15, 2001
"Police and ethnic Albanian guerrillas clashed outside
Macedonia's second-largest city for the second day running as news
came that Nato has refused to intervene in the conflict. "
"... "Nato declared today that it stands
"shoulder-to-shoulder" with Macedonia's government but made clear
that it will not send combat troops to help fight ethnic Albanian
rebels.
A Nato official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said
fighting in the southern Balkan country was a domestic issue and
that the alliance does not consider this a foreign invasion, despite
claims the insurgents are operating out of Kosovo."
Not entirely "unexpected" but pretty embarassing situation at
NATO;)
They bombed the country for 78 days for fighting the "domestic"
conflict. Which is against norms of International Law, Security
council and NATO's own charter. They allowed the KLA to keep and
continue their arming and criminal activities for more then a year.
They allowed the ethnic cleansing to take place under their noses
and eyes. All this on what is still the suvereign Yugoslavian
territory - the Kosovo.
And now its not their business any more?
  
 
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