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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans
for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be
limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI
all over again?
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lunarchick
- 03:19pm Mar 13, 2001 EST (#969
of 977) lunarchick@www.com
Why would Presidents determine to avert their gaze from Nuclear
matters when the red-phone dydactic is embedded in world-psyche ?
rshowalter
- 04:05pm Mar 13, 2001 EST (#970
of 977) Robert Showalter showalte@macc.wisc.edu
lunarchick
3/13/01 3:19pm There might be many reasons for wanting to "avert
one's gaze."
The Nation's FEATURE STORY | March 26, 2001 is
The Old Man and the CIA: A Kennedy Plot to Kill Castro?
... by DAVID CORN & GUS RUSSO http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20010326&s=corn
The piece ends with this:
. "Forty years after the Kennedy glory days, it
is well known that John Kennedy's Camelot had its dark side.
Debate remains over how dark. The March 16 memo offers evidence
that John and Robert participated in one of the ugliest exercises
of those turbulent days. Blowing away Castro at the onetime home
of Ernest Hemingway, an author admired by John Kennedy as well as
Fidel Castro, sounds more like derring-do conjured up by a
novelist than a plan contemplated by an Attorney General in the
presence of a President. Yet that's the most logical reading of
this piece of the incomplete historical record-- "
When murder is an option for people in an organization, and there
are no checks and balances, might fraud be an option as well? If not
in the beginning, after the accumulation of experience over many
years?
With MANY things to be hidden, the inclination to hide
anything and everything can be compelling -- and will become
more reflexive, and less subject to examination, with the passage of
time.
Big technical mistakes can be made, and hidden, in such an
environment. So can big misunderstandings. So can big frauds.
Recent stories in the TIMES show how rigid military
organizations can be, and how hard it can be for corrective action
to occur in them.
In the CIA, for fundamental reasons, all these problems are
worse.
And nuclear policy has been almost unsupervised by the President,
and by the Congress, over a period of forty years. Eisenhower was
the last President who understood it pretty well (and the basic
engineering for our missiles and submarines was done on his watch.)
That was a long time ago.
almarst-2001
- 04:30pm Mar 13, 2001 EST (#971
of 977)
rshowalter
3/13/01 4:05pm
The more I know about Eisenhower, the more I like the man.
Unfortunatly, he seems rather an exception then common among
Presidents.
Interestingly, he was not choosen among most admired and famous
by American people. The Clinton, on the other hand, was.
rshowalter
- 04:48pm Mar 13, 2001 EST (#972
of 977) Robert Showalter showalte@macc.wisc.edu
He was a grind. He attended to details. I think Eisenhower was a
very great man. Though he made mistakes that killed thousands of
people, and knew it. In his position, the best of human beings,
under the best of circumstances, make mistakes.
In tight quarters, people make moral mistakes, as well - and
Eisenhower made some of those, I believe, as well. But he tried
hard, he had the good sense to distrust his subordinates when he
could, and when he had messes of their making, or his own, he tried
to fix them. Often did.
I believe that everybody who cares about the survival of the
world should consider carefully the concerns about the
military-industrial complex set out in the FAREWELL
ADDRESS of President Dwight D. Eisenhower January 17, 1961.
The core things Eisenhower warned against have happened. In many
ways it is humanly understandable -- but there is a mess, it is as
dangerous as it can possibly be, and we need to fix it.
rshowalter
- 04:58pm Mar 13, 2001 EST (#973
of 977) Robert Showalter showalte@macc.wisc.edu
Fixed positions are considerably more vulnerable to circumvention
than they used to be -often more vulnerable by many orders of
magnitude. ..
That means we face new risks, but new opportunities, as well.
I believe that it might to great good to illustrate this, in a
way that might dramatically aid the cause of world understanding and
safety. As an example, not necessarily of something to be done, but
of the things that could be done.
Suppose the government of Russia were to stage a nonlethal attack
on the information flow defenses of the United States of America.
An entirely nonlethal attack, in the cause of peace.
I offer the following thought experiment. rshowalter
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