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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans
for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be
limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI
all over again?
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rshowalter
- 07:34am Mar 7, 2001 EST (#852
of 854) Robert Showalter showalte@macc.wisc.edu
This much of the response makes sense to post here.
rshowalter - 06:26pm Mar 6, 2001 BST (#908
Let me give it a shot. I'm working on the same class of problems
(with detailed differences) in three areas, and four separate cases.
They look much the same to me.
I'll concentrate on the Middle East here, but refer to the other
areas, in a sort of triangulation - so that generalizations can be
applied to multiple cases. That sometimes clarifies what a
generalization means.
The four cases are:
1. Trying to get to a workable solution of the
impasse between the Palestinians and the Israelis, as they are,
with the past as it actually is.
2. Trying to resolve the nuclear terror in the
world, which may otherwise destroy the world, with the nation
states as they are, and with the past as it actually is.
and two smaller scale cases
3. Trying to resolve a matter in construction of
mathematical models from physical circumstances, that involves a
"paradigm impasse" -- with mathematicians as they are, with the
last 350 years as they have been, and with the constraints of math
and science as they are.
and
4. Trying to modify some neuroscience and neural
medicine, on the basis of a corrected transmission equation based
on the subject of (3) with neuroscientists and medicos as they
are, and the histories of the fields as they are.
Each of these cases is insoluble in practical human terms on the
basis of "full logical connection and detailed justice" -- each
requires a reframing, a "redemptive solution."
I'm using the notion of "redemption" in a strictly secular
sense here. No diety should have to concern herself with the
solution of these problems. Human beings should be able to sort them
out amongst themselves.
. . . . .
3 and 4 are VERY far along toward full solution - and these
situations will probably be resolved in a disciplined, beautiful
way, at little cost to anybody involved, and with real benefits to
all involved.
1 and 2 are more intractable, but look like they can be decently
resolved, too -- given a degree of human wisdom that people manage
to apply, every day, to many other problems.
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Impster - 06:30pm Mar 6, 2001 BST (#910
rsho,
I'll be waiting.
rshowalter
- 07:37am Mar 7, 2001 EST (#853
of 854) Robert Showalter showalte@macc.wisc.edu
rshowalter - 06:40pm Mar 6, 2001 BST (#911
In every case, resolution requires a matter-of-fact
acknowledgement that the people involved are human animals, "a
little lower than the angels."
An especially important part of this is an acknowledgement that
all involved
- can sometimes be mistaken;
- all involved sometimes decieve;
- and all involved are sometimes decieved
themselves.
Redemptive solutions require that, during key points in the
negotiation, and at the end of it - people agree on basic facts.
Everybody must be "reading from the same page" -- everybody must
know the same facts in the most basic objective ways, ---though
often with very different feelings about those facts.
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I'm continuing with that thread today.
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