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Nazi engineer and Disney space advisor Wernher Von Braun helped
give us rocket science. Today, the legacy of military aeronautics
has many manifestations from SDI to advanced ballistic missiles. Now
there is a controversial push for a new missile defense system. What
will be the role of missile defense in the new geopolitical climate
and in the new scientific era?
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rshowalter
- 11:58am Feb 11, 2001 EST (#670
of 674) Robert Showalter showalte@macc.wisc.edu
President Bush got high praise on the NYT editorial page
today, in "Between Two Eras."
. " a president who entered office with a shaky
mandate is performing above expectations." . . .
Although " we have profound policy differences
with Mr. Bush" . . . . but "Mr. Bush has demonstrated that
he takes the presidency seriously. ........Members of Congress,
whether they support him or not, can feel it. The public . .. . .
seems to sense in this White House a mature insistence on
order."
I've been impressed by that sense of order, and called the
administrations organizational stances vis a vis defense "beautiful"
rshowalter
2/9/01 1:53pm in the sense that "Beauty is the proper
conformity of the parts to one another and to the whole."
If Good military theory is an attempt to produce beauty in
Heisenberg's sense in a SPECIFIC context of assumption and data, the
administration is taking good steps to make the pursuit of beautiful
solutions possible, at least in form, and at the level of
organization for solutions.
But for the safety of the country, we need to remember that
"goodness" must be judged, not only in of terms of the
context of assumption and data considered, but also in the contexts
of fact and relationship that actually apply to the defense
of the United States.
rshowalter
- 12:03pm Feb 11, 2001 EST (#671
of 674) Robert Showalter showalte@macc.wisc.edu
For example, in THE WEEK IN REVIEW , James Daos
Please Do Not Disturb Us With Bombs shows the beauty of the
pro missile defense position in its own terms.
The story also indicates that these terms may be fatally flawed -
that the assumptions of what can work may be without foundation. The
picture with the piece - showing the contrail results of gross
servo-instability in a interceptor test last year, shows how very
far short we now are from the we can do it assumption that
makes the difference between practical beauty, and gross and
dangerous ugliness, for this strategy.
The questions raised in Missile
Defense System Wont Work by David Wright and Theodore Postol -----
May 11, 2000 in the Boston Globe need to be adressed. No
matter how "hypothetically beautiful in its own terms" missile
defense may be, it is ugly in terms of national defense if it
does not work.
At the bottom of page 18 theres another article,
Smaller, Cheaper, Stealthier, Deadlier by William
Broad
that raises severe questions about the missile defense strategy
on grounds of proportion. It is a huge resource committment, and
adresses only one threat among a number, and not necessarily the
largest.
A major difficulty may be based on an assumption of trust.
Senior american officers, for reasons that I sympathize with
entirely, look at Russian actions in the most distrustful possible
light - because fear and distrust go with nuclear weapons, which are
terror weapons.bigred152
2/11/01 8:36am
The Russians interpret our actions in the most distrustful
possible way, and at huge cost to themselves, prepare for the worst
(acting in a way that stimulates distrust on the part of American
officers.)
NEW
COLD WAR WARMS UP.....The Moscow Times ..... Feb. 8, 2001 In the history of the nuclear terror, the cycle of
escalating fear and distrust has been a sadly consistent fact that
no assurances of good faith, on either side, have ever stopped --
essentially because nuclear weapons are only useful in first
strikes, and deception is essential to make a first strike possible.
I've made a proposal, one of many possible, that suggests that we
assume distrust, rather than trust and proceed from there. rshowalt
9/25/00 7:32am
I believe that it is ugly for us to deny the mutual fear and
distrust that go with nuclear weapons, and that beautiful solutions
require that we acknowledge that fear, and take steps to adress the
fears involved in rational detail.
If we do this, I believe that we may be able to devise a much
safer, more stable world, at much less cost than the costs now being
contemplated.
rshowalter
- 12:47pm Feb 11, 2001 EST (#672
of 674) Robert Showalter showalte@macc.wisc.edu
I've worked extensively on a forum on The Guardian Talk -
Europe
We need
an international missle system now - Why son of Star Wars is a good
idea.
The thread was started on Feb 4 by beckvaa who I believe
is our former President, and is now about forty pages of text. I
express concerns about nuclear destruction in #9 on that thread, and
elsewhere. In my view, the risks of our current situation have been
understated, and should motivate efforts at control. Some good steps
that might provide such control are being considered by the Bush
administraion.
soyousay
- 09:35pm Feb 11, 2001 EST (#673
of 674)
Why are certain nations so expressing fear of an application of
technology they themselves say publicly is overly complex, uncertain
of function, as so easily spoofed?
Why not remain silent on the issue and allow the US to spend
Billions of useless Dollars that might otherwise be spent on more
effective instruments of deterence and projection of national force
of will?
dirac_10
- 11:05pm Feb 11, 2001 EST (#674
of 674)
A very good point.
If it worries the folks that had the technical ability to build
H-bombs and Sputniks 50 years ago, stopping the Saddams of the world
is a piece of cake.
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