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Nazi engineer and Disney space advisor Wernher Von Braun helped
give us rocket science. Today, the legacy of military aeronautics
has many manifestations from SDI to advanced ballistic missiles. Now
there is a controversial push for a new missile defense system. What
will be the role of missile defense in the new geopolitical climate
and in the new scientific era?
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dirac_10
- 08:21am Feb 9, 2001 EST (#658
of 667)
rshowalter - 06:38am Feb 9, 2001 EST (#657 of 657)
You mean enough overwhelming force to defeat Iraq?
Why do nuclear weapons have to be involved?
Because Saddam has them. Or at least will. He certainly has other
WMD right now. If we don't, he wins any war.
Duh.
mhunter20
- 09:43am Feb 9, 2001 EST (#659
of 667)
dirac_10
2/9/01 2:00am
I agree to everything except the economic
sanctions part. Dictators like Saddam laugh at economic sanctions,
and continue their weapon development as their people starve. And
since it is the Saddams that are the most worry, only overwhelming
military force will work.
I agree. For certain countries failure to allow surprise
inspections anywhere, anytime should be considered an act of war.
rshowalter
- 12:11pm Feb 9, 2001 EST (#660
of 667) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
Absolutely.
rshowalter
- 12:39pm Feb 9, 2001 EST (#661
of 667) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
Dirac just invoke a crucial logical point, assuming it was
self evident, that I think is absolutely untrue.
The idea was that, if Saddam, or some other leader of a smaller
country had weapons of mass destruction, and we didn't, he'd win -
automatically, in any struggle with us.
So weapons of mass destructions are guaranteed
war winners?
Big assumption.
I'd say that, unless a country actually has the capability, and
the will, in the real world, to exterminate an enemy, and all
that enemy's allies, then weapons of mass destruction are
guaranteed war losers.
The threat may seem chilling. No doubt.
But what happens if these weapons are used, but do not suffice to
totally knock out the agressor's victim?
Under very many (most) circumstances, the aggressor is doomed.
Agressors should understand this more clearly, and so should we.
rshowalter
- 01:24pm Feb 9, 2001 EST (#662
of 667) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
February 9, 2001 Bush Takes First Step to Shrink Arsenal of
Nuclear Warheads by STEVEN LEE MYERS . . . . . The New
York Times
"WASHINGTON, Feb. 8 — President Bush will order a comprehensive
review of the nation's nuclear arsenal, a first step toward the
unilateral cuts in warheads and missiles that he promised during
last year's campaign, senior military and administration officials
said today.
Mr. Bush's order — outlined in one of three military-policy
directives to be issued by the White House as soon as Friday — will
also underscore the administration's commitment to building a
defensive missile shield, the officials said.
Less than a week after Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld
tried to ease allies' concerns about such a missile system at a
conference in Munich, Mr. Bush will order the Pentagon to devise how
best to proceed with a shield, given diplomatic, technological and
financial difficulties, they said.
The review is intended to move the United States toward what
officials said would be a new strategic doctrine, as well as a new
approach to arms control that reflects today's world rather than the
cold war's superpower standoff.
"You now have to manage the transition from the old world to the
new world," a senior administration official said. "And the new
world, once we get there, would be one in which defense forces play
an important role in keeping the peace, in which you have offensive
forces that are properly sized and configured to deal with the new
deterrent tasks, rather than the deterrent tasks of 1972."
. . . . . . .
"The effort now," the senior official said, "is going to be to
get a coherent policy that ties these pieces together so you can
talk to allies and to the Russians and to others, conceptually,
about the new nuclear environment."
"The nation's arsenal as of last year included 7,519 nuclear
warheads on missiles, submarines or bombers, compared with Russia's
6,464. But the review is expected to lead to cuts below the 2,000 to
2,500 warheads proposed by the United States and Russia in 1997 as a
goal for a third round of strategic arms reduction talks, or Start
III.
. . . . . .
"The other directives expected this week will outline the
administration's intent to conduct a broader review of the armed
services, the officials said. One will focus on the military's
strategy and structure, something Mr. Bush has said he wanted to see
before deciding how much, if any, to add to the Pentagon budget. The
other will focus on pay, benefits and other issues affecting the
nearly 1.4 million service personnel and their families.
. . . . . .
"Mr. Bush first outlined his vision for a strategy that coupled
cuts in nuclear warheads with a missile shield during a speech last
May, declaring that the nation's security no longer required "a
nuclear balance of terror." He also said it was possible to move
ahead with defensive missiles and still "defuse confrontation" with
Russia, even though President Vladimir V. Putin and others have
ardently opposed such a shield. While Mr. Bush did not specify
limits on the warheads in the shield, he pledged to seek "the lowest
possible number consistent with our national security."
The directive for reviewing the strategy is highly classified,
but officials said the president was asking for a review of the
nation's strategy, its method of selecting targets, its stockpile,
and new and potential threats to the United States and its allies.
It is also expected to focus on another of Mr. Bush's campaign
promises, to consider whether nuclear weapons can be removed from
the highest alert status, at which they are prepared to launch
within minutes.
. . . . . .
The results of the review are expected to provide the broad
policy guidelines for a Congressionally mandated "nuclear posture
review" that is to be completed this year under the direction of the
military, the first s
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