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Nazi engineer and Disney space advisor Wernher Von Braun helped
give us rocket science. Today, the legacy of military aeronautics
has many manifestations from SDI to advanced ballistic missiles. Now
there is a controversial push for a new missile defense system. What
will be the role of missile defense in the new geopolitical climate
and in the new scientific era?
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rshowalter
- 04:27pm Nov 2, 2000 EDT (#464
of 471) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
The logic of the situation, in itself, isn't very hard. Kalter
put his finger on the BIG problem when he said:
"The public, naturally enough, is mesmerized to paralysis by
the thought of Nuclear Armeggedon . . . . . ."
getting past that paralysis is an artistic, poetic, journalistic,
moral, social challenge.
rshowalter
- 04:29pm Nov 2, 2000 EDT (#465
of 471) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
If people were that far along, scared but attentive, taking a
good look, they might come up with much better solutions, in human
terms, than those suggested here.
kalter.rauch
- 08:22am Nov 3, 2000 EDT (#466
of 471) Earth vs <^> <^> <^>
We can't afford to assume "the enemy" knows or even cares a whit
about ethics or what we think...except insofar as it reveals weak
niches in our armor. What happens to rational thought when "THEY"
are engaged in dialogue? We first have to delude ourselves into
imagining these inscrutable martinets can even form complete
sentences. Then, in the straits of exasperation, thin smiles
slashing across the faces of sadistic mass-murderers are desperately
misinterpreted as a "cry for help" from "that impoverished land". At
this point we show them how best to tie the noose around our
necks......
rshowalter
- 11:17am Nov 3, 2000 EDT (#467
of 471) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
kalter , dealing with enemies, you're exactly right that
appeals to ethics, and to trust, can't be relied on, though they can
sometimes be useful.
When military threats are involved, trust is unstable.
Reassurance has limited uses, but is dangerous to rely on.
When military threats are involved, and this applies more to
nuclear terror than to anything else, it is **distrust** and
**mutual fear** that are stable.
The proposal in #266-269 rshowalt
9/25/00 7:32am relies on distrust, and fear, not nonexistant
trust or feelings of safety. The proposal doesn't ask for any trust
at all. It doesn't ask that anyone like anybody else.
We and the Russians may have many reasons to be enemies, but we
have a mutual interest in reducing, and ideally eliminating nuclear
weapons. As Gorbachev said "Even an unloaded gun goes off every
once in a while" and the instability of our nucear arsenals is
much worse than that. And the risks are terrifying - for all
concerned.
Trust doesn't work in nuclear negotiations, because when it
gets to the sticking point, both sides are intensely concerned about
first strike tricks, and terribly afraid of nuclear destruction.
I think that the GSI funded CNN documentary REHEARSING
ARMAGEDEDDON made that clear. Negotiaters on both sides cannot
make concessions based on trust, when the reality is fear and
distrust.
But we can acknowledge our fears and distrusts, and build on
them, rather than deny them. If we do, we can take nuclear weapons
down based on distrust and accomodations to that distrust
(bugging of leaders, exchange of hostages, inspection.)
***
Even so, ethics do matter. The more people agree on outlawing the
building or use of nuclear weapons, the more practical arrangements
to keep them down can work. And the wider that agreement and
understanding is, the more readily the take down of nuclear weapons
can occur.
lunarchick
- 07:57am Nov 4, 2000 EDT (#468
of 471) Barrier Reef debarcle - crew "didn't know how to" use
navigation gear
Paul
Rogers, University of Bradford & Cold war
kalter.rauch
- 08:20am Nov 4, 2000 EDT (#469
of 471) Earth vs <^> <^> <^>
All these doomsday scenarios are only expressions of the public's
fears. We think a coarse, hairy, misshapen finger sneaks ever so
closer to the big red button while we're asleep, dreaming of
sugar-plum fairies (if you're a Frenchman), but how can the
unclassified, unwashed masses have any idea of military tactics
involving nuclear weapons? The big B-class bludgeons...the city
killers...naturally feed our richly landscaped nightmares, but what
can we say about battlefield nuclear weapons as small as 170mm
howitzer rounds? We knew the Russians would likely pour through the
Fulda Gap, but how did we plan to incinerate their armor? Surely, in
that timeline, the battle would start with some border incursion,
rather than simply throwing the self-destruct switch......
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