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Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's
war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars"
defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make
the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an
application of science be successful? Is a militarized space
inevitable, necessary or impossible?
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patndmac
- 02:40am Aug 10, 2000 EST (#199
of 11863)
Missile defense does promote nuclear war, or at least nuclear
arms production. It promotes it by upsetting the balance of power
that exists between countries with such weapons. If the United
States has a defense system, it can attack with impunity. No one
will blow us up while we blow them up. While you and I may think
this would never happen, that the US would never take so offensive
an action, we would be naive. We would not be taking our own history
into account (Mexican-American War, Spanish-American War, Hiroshima,
Nagasaki). And even if we were to know for sure that we would never
initiate a nuclear war, other countries definitely won't know that
and won't believe that. It creates an atmosphere of fear and
provokes other countries to create greater weapons of destruction.
Now, while this shift in power may appear beneficial when viewed
from a selfish American viewpoint, this too is false. The
ramifications of nuclear war do not end when the explosions cease
and the shock waves peter out. Whole ecosystems would be destroyed.
Large amounts of dust and soil would be spewed into the atmosphere.
Our lives would be made extremely difficult, if not impossible to
survive.
I stand by my statement that the answer is disarmament. That is
the only answer that does not lead to massive suffering and
potential extinction. And I do believe that people are sensible
enough to make it happen. No countries are suicidal, not even North
Korea.
patndmac
- 02:49am Aug 10, 2000 EST (#200
of 11863)
And it alarms me how some of you refer to the rest of the world
as "predators" and "barbarians". They are people just like you and
me. Excluding and dehumanizing people makes them the enemy. You are
making them the enemy. As soon as you realize people are people
everywhere, and don't turn into goblins in China and vampires in
Vietnam, you realize that our true interests are the interests of
the world, rather than narrow nationalism.
joedaddy0
- 02:53am Aug 10, 2000 EST (#201
of 11863)
Disarmament would be a great utopian idea, but with the world we
live in today and some of the dictators that run it, disarmament is
not only impossible, but implausable. If a major country like the
united states or britain "set the example", that could easily set
the spark that leaders like sadamm are lookin for to seek their
"revenge and justice" on their enemies from the west. Disarmament,
no, that is not the answer, regulation and reduced defense spending,
maybe, but disarmament, would not lead to peace, but rather further
allow the the bullies of eastern societies more opportunity to prey
weaker peoples, and more opportunity for terrorism here, at home, in
america.
tim1956
- 04:09am Aug 10, 2000 EST (#202
of 11863)
Beware the military/industrial complex. $60 billion will buy a
lot of mansions and pay for a lot of private schools for the
executives at Boeing and Lockheed Martin. It could be used to help
people. So it goes. Both Bush and Gore are behind this scheme. Where
have you gone, Joe DiMaggio?
jhansv
- 06:36am Aug 10, 2000 EST (#203
of 11863)
The urgent need for a WORKABLE anti-missile defense system can be
summarized as follows: 1. Capability to shoot down hostile missiles.
2. Capability to develop a potential hostile asteroid removal system
3. Capability to remove the incredible space junk yard the world has
developed over the last ten years.
speedbird77
- 06:54am Aug 10, 2000 EST (#204
of 11863) †† Osama bin runnin ††
WASHINGTON, Aug. 9 -- A highly classified intelligence report
warns that deploying an American national missile defense could
prompt China to expand its nuclear arsenal tenfold and lead Russia
to place multiple warheads on ballistic missiles that now carry only
one, according to officials who have reviewed it.
Is it any wonder why no one takes the National Intelligence
Estimate seriously. Just last month the NY Times claimed the NIE was
overblown and now today they tell us to take it seriously?
speedbird77
- 07:43am Aug 10, 2000 EST (#205
of 11863) †† Osama bin runnin ††
Do they have ANY idea what a ten fold increase would entail? If
China started today, a ten fold increase would eat their entire
budget, they would need to scrap the many non military projects they
have planned for the country and the cost of maintaining a ten fold
increase in their arsenal would cost them tens of billions of
dollars per year which they do not have. Not to mention the timeline
involved in designing, testing and deploying a ten fold increase in
warheads.
I wish the Times and others would seriously think this through
before they print such wild headlines.
richr11b
- 08:20am Aug 10, 2000 EST (#206
of 11863)
I am all for a strong military, and I think that our forces
should be made stronger and better and more numerous. But this
missile defense idea is not a good one for 2 reasons, neither having
to do with the reactions of China et al.
1. It does't work. Starting construction for a system which has
not yet shown feasibility (which will have to be redone later) is
wasted money. Now the Air Force says that the basic booster will
have to be redesigned to allow the kill vehicle to properly track
the incoming warhead. This was something we thought we had in hand.
Small miscalculation. The new technology has yet to be fully dealt
with. A better plan would be to make it actually kill a warhead
before spending billions.
2. It is a defensive weapon. All war theoriticians from Sun-Tzu
to Mahan have held that offensive capabilities will evolve faster to
negate any defensive technology that a state might develop.
Defensive technology has always been short lived. The Maginot line
was quickly flanked. Our missile defense will quickly be
circumvented by better decoys, different delivery systems, or
different sets of alliances.
A stronger Navy, Army, and Air Force with the ability to show our
flag and back up policies is a much wiser way to spend these $60
billion. (Which is likely to double, or worse, given the low-ball
budgets which high-tech types always give out.)
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