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Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's
war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars"
defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make
the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an
application of science be successful? Is a militarized space
inevitable, necessary or impossible?
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botulism
- 07:21pm Jul 6, 2000 EST (#127
of 11858)
NMD is not about Defense from nuclear missiles. It is about
developing a First Strike capability-- something that should be
reprehensible to all thinking/feeling human beings. China recognizes
that they are the main target of this system, not straw enemies like
North Korea or Iraq.
Another 5 Billion dollar welfare payment to dependant
corporations like McDonnell-Douglas and Grummond...
obilot
- 08:16pm Jul 6, 2000 EST (#128
of 11858)
Wake Up & smell the $- the military budget is not "miniscule"
as a previous missive stated. for every tax dollar you spend on
education, you'll spend 8 on the military- it's the fastest growing
part of the federal bedget-look at the pie chart on the back of your
tax forms. the end of the cold war did not bring the much-touted
"peace dividend"- instead the military budget is increasing 1.9
trillion over the next 6 years. see california peace action-
www.capa.org if you want to check it out. if you want to see the
true, unconcealed goals of abm, go to the source- the united state
space command lang range plan, 1997- Vision 2020, at the official,
public site- www.spacecom.afmil/usspace . they admit it's offensive,
not just defensive, & imperialist-they want complete control.
they also state they they will have to scare the public & build
up concensus, & indicate that other countries are ahead, or
exaggerate the possibility of enemies. (when i re-find this exact
quote, i'll send it in-it's very disturbing). Here are direct
quotes: "Control of Space is the ability to assure access to space,
freedom of operations...& an ability to deny others the use of
space, if required. Global Engagement combines integratated focused
surveillance ...with a potential ability to aply force from space.
Global Partnerships augments military space capabilities through the
leveraging of civil, commercial, & international space systems."
There is a section describing pioneering even closer (how can they
get any closer than beign in the same bed?) bonds between
corporations & gov., sort of hybrids, with longer-term
contracts, & quicker approval processes.
obilot
- 08:59pm Jul 6, 2000 EST (#129
of 11858)
If you've made up your mind, stop talking & start acting!
Right now, there are people camping out in hidden areas of the vast
Vandenberg Air Force Base to delay the test scheduled for July 7th
to the test site at Kwajalein Atoll in the marshall islands. the
Marshallese were cleared off of their land several decades ago,
& live in an apartheid-like, overcrowded situation on the nearby
Ebeye island. In 1983 they risked their lives to sail back to their
island- operation homecoming- & maintained their reoccupation
for months despite arrests. some of us in the s.f. bay area peace
& justice movement (same folks who've organized blockades at the
Lawrence Livermore National Laboratories, Diablo Nuclear Power
Plant, Concord navl weapons station, etc.) found out about this
& decided to support them while simultaneously re-occupying
shoshone land of the vandenberg base (with the help of the shoshone
tribe). you won't hear about this in the NY Times, but in 83 we did
delay tests several times. using completely non-violent &
creative tactics, such as leaving balloons or webs of ribbons woeven
into bushes, so they know people are there & don't want to risk
media coverage by hurting or killing someone. several thousand
people were arrested at the front gates (serving several hours to 2
weeks in county or federal jails- some were taken in buses to
tempeh, arizona. Several years later, a young woman smashed a first
strike computer (security is very lax on base) & served pver 2
years in jail- she is now a lawyer helping others arrested for
direct action.
The Marshallese have negotiated a month of fishing rights &
are allowed back on kwajelein starting july 13th. so the timing is
crucial- the democrats want a "successful" lauch before the
convention. For the past year, southern & central californian s
have been monitoring & interfering with the test launches.
there is going to be an international day of action at vandenberg
oct. 7, 2000.- legal, family-friendly rally/vigil also- you never
need to "risk arrest" to get involved- lots of support, 4, research,
logistics always needed. see www.directactionnetwork.org, global
network against weapons & nuclear power in space. see
www.directactionnetwork.org, or the globalnetwork against weapons 7
Nuclear Power in Space (don't have site handy),or
www.globenet.free-online.co.uk/, or www.abolition2000.org, for that
or other actions (a lot can be done simpley with e-mail)
campaign fincance is also essential, as weaponsmongers spend
50-100 million a year lobbying congress. in calif., 93% of
"our"congresspeople took arms $- find out the numbers for your
state. Also, a vote for ralph nader, the only candidate promoting a
cut in the military budget (by one third), is not a wasted vote. if
he get's 5% of the national vote, the green party will receive
federal matching funds, & can start building the party. If we
keep voting for the lesser of two evils, all we ever get is more
evil...
armel7
- 12:10am Jul 7, 2000 EST (#130
of 11858) Science/Health Forums Host
Article:Nobels
object to Missile Plan...
Your host, Michael Scott Armel
emurraysc
- 02:34am Jul 7, 2000 EST (#131
of 11858)
I am completely in favor of launching missles which can collide
with each other at 15,000 mph.
I would just hope they load them up with all the politicians,
generals and defense contractors who are promoting this insanity.
The thought of them all being pulverized into space dust seems
heavenly.
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