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Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's
war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars"
defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make
the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an
application of science be successful? Is a militarized space
inevitable, necessary or impossible?
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babcoja1
- 04:24pm Jun 15, 2000 EST (#93
of 11858)
The fascinating issue in today’s article is how furiously Clinton
has lawyers working to determine how far we can go in developing a
missile defense system without appearing to violate the ABM treaty.
Naturally he doesn’t want Democrats looking like doves during a
presidential campaign, because hawks can claim the moral high ground
by claiming that they are defending our nation from attack.
Now, why is that the case? Mister or Ms sipwine635 in message 86
has the audacity to suggest that opponents of this defense system
conceal another agenda. The only agenda on MY plate is the
preservation of my life and livelihood.
Creating this missile defense system is necessarily an impetus to
a continued nuclear arms race. The principle of mutually assured
destruction may have kept the world from nuclear war in the last
century. More likely, nobody shot their missiles because they
weren’t assured of hurting the opponent enough. (See the controversy
over the effectiveness of the Patriot missile.) Furthermore, as
functional technology is developed (to borrow the hackers’ notion)
it wants to get free. For cryin’ out loud, folks, we can’t even keep
nuclear research safe in a top secret vault in Los Alamos, now, can
we? Our own military personnel can sell secrets for 25 years without
getting caught.
Now, the livelihood part: I’m sick of piles of money going to
defense contractors for big scary bombs, when (yes, the old liberal
cliches) we’ve still got big problems with poverty, racism, and poor
public schools. Whether Clinton actually intends to develop this
system, or just to appear to intend to, tons of money will fall into
this miserable hole. This country is willing to sacrifice
(literally) impoverished lives at home for a political game or a
technological white elephant. How twentieth century! Capitalism at
its stinkiest.
hshamod
- 11:55am Jun 21, 2000 EST (#94
of 11858)
Let's be clear about this matter: 1. the tests have been rigged
recently to make sure they don't fail; thus, in his matter, the
public has been lied to about the effectiveness of this
"anti-missile" system;2. the cost is outrageous; most pentagon costs
escalate at least 10 times original estimates and often weapons
don't work (see Bradley, Humvee, etc.) 3. Clinton has no sense of
other cultures and their responses to our domestic ethnocentrism;
the recent comments from Germany and others should warn us that this
system will cost us more than it will gain even if we "put it up for
bids" (that's the beginning rhetoric of a slippery slope of
spending). Sorry folks, don't fall for it. Sincerely
kalter.rauch
- 05:45am Jun 22, 2000 EST (#95
of 11858) Earth vs <^> <^> <^>
babcoja1
6/15/00 4:24pm
......I’m sick of piles of money going...for big scary bombs,
when ...we’ve still got big problems with poverty, racism, and poor
public schools.
How are piles of money going to solve those problems? They've
poured money down those rat-holes by the hundreds of billions of
$$$, with the only "progress" being the cities are becoming more
like rat-holes.
Better build as many bombs and rockets, and the planes to carry
them as possible, and as quick as possible, because there's a world
of pain out there that wants America to feel its pain.
vasilisa
- 03:29pm Jun 22, 2000 EST (#96
of 11858)
I am so tired of playing this male protection racket game called
the arms industry.
We need violent men building big bad violent things over HERE to
protect us from the violent men building big bad violent things over
THERE.
The world of pain -- where is it really coming from?
It's old old old.
The same cause as usual. One group of dominant males engages in
emotional blackmail to "save" us from the "rival" group of dominant
males.
Get over it, guys, or we'll all just have to get over YOU.
Just to survive!
wrcooper
- 03:51pm Jun 22, 2000 EST (#97
of 11858)
vasilisa
6/22/00 3:29pm
Get over it, guys, or we'll all just have to get
over YOU.
vasilisa:
Is that a threat? How testosteronal of you!
I'm afraid that the men you attack will be forced to erect
missile defenses against you, too, as well as against each other.
The system will be called, inevitably, Missiles
Against Angry Mizzes (MAAM).
Please don't let it come to that, vasilisa. I'd hate to
think of you sitting at the receiving end of an exploding ballistic
surrogate phallus. Should events result in the worst case scenario,
however, don't be surprised if you read the headline
MAAM says "Wham! Bam! No Thank You!"
Oh, no, my dear, the warmongering testosterone-crazed male of the
species will not go quietly into that good night.
kalter.rauch
- 07:23am Jun 23, 2000 EST (#98
of 11858) Earth vs <^> <^> <^>
vasilisa
6/22/00 3:29pm
I'd much rather discuss selective soft targeting by smart
sub-munition delivery systems......hurricanes of metal and
fire......that sort of thing.
Have you ever read Stuka Pilot, by Hans Ulrich Rudel? Did you
know he was nicknamed "Panzerknacker" (Tank Buster) because he
destroyed over 500 Bolshevik tanks on the Russian Front?
How can this heroism tire you out with a headache? How?!?!?
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