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Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's
war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars"
defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make
the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an
application of science be successful? Is a militarized space
inevitable, necessary or impossible?
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johnberndt
- 09:26pm Jun 9, 2000 EST (#75
of 11858)
canaryx - 08:24pm Jun 9, 2000 EDT (#74 of 74)
ABM is stupid because it can't accomplish its mission -- which I
assume is to prevent a missile attack from causing great harm. I
worked in the defense business where ABM was viewed as impractical
but a nice source of research funding. Why is ABM a bad idea? 1)
Accuracy problems -- we won't be able to knock off many incoming
missiles. 2) Detection problems -- it's easy to confuse an ABM with
chaff and decoys. 3) Fallout problems -- if we do hit any incoming
missiles, what will happen to those below the debris? 4)
Proliferation issues -- since a few won't do the job, we'll want to
keep throwing good money after bad, fielding more and more ABM
systems in different locations. 5) Cost -- it's going to cost A LOT
OF MONEY -- which we could spend on real deterrents such as
diplomacy and well-trained and equipped military forces.
Furthermore, ABM gives us a false sense of security and diverts us
from the true US mission need: to strengthen our world relationships
so we are at less risk of being attacked in the first place.
Then the Chinese and Russians should be happy about it. We are
obviously wasting money on something that is useless instead of
building up a real threat for them. :)
harddaysworker
- 02:42am Jun 12, 2000 EST (#76
of 11858)
Your average rogue state or terrorist isn't going to have the
ability to design dummy warheads that can fool a missle defense
system. In all likelyhood, a missle launched at the US will be from
a small group that managed to get one or two passed all of our other
security measures. Contrary to popular belief, intercontinental
ballistic missles (with MIRV's aren't widely available on the black
market and can't be easily moved.
This project isn't designed to shoot down volleys of Russian
missles. it's going to be designed to shoot down a small number of
incoming by some mentally unstable terrorist group.
The alternative is to leave retaliation to the president or NORAD
if such an attack occurs. I can assure you, any retaliation would be
nuclear.
nilent
- 10:58pm Jun 12, 2000 EST (#77
of 11858) "If this were a dictatorship; it'd be a heck of a
lot easier......just so long as I'm the dictator". 12.18.00 THIEF IN
CHIEF: BUSH (trying to make a "funny")
The rich corrupt s o b's that run the Military Industrial Complex
are hoping and praying that Iraq Korea...etc etc somehow get the
capacity to launch ICBM's at the US. They want/need this to
happen to justify their continuing to rip off/rape the US
economy/taxpayer.
Unfortunately, for them, these countries can barely feed their
own people....and, I dare say, should we EVER detect that Hussein or
Kim were getting anywhwere NEAR the capacity to launch ANY nuclear
tipped missles...it would be in the national security interests of
the US to pre-emptively DESTROY the offending potential
before it was built.
The threat of a "suitcase bomb" is a FAR more credible one...and
a trillion bucks worth of hardware in orbit won't do s**t about
that!
Let's face it...this is a massive boondoggle for the benefit of
people who are already filthy rich and don't give a rats ass about
what's good for the American citizen/taxpayer.
In fact it's in their interest for more and more "technology
transfers" of more and more sophisticated weaponry to flood the
planet...in this way WE have to spend TRILLIONS more to keep up with
the "threat".
Follow the money. These merchants of death have the bucks to
buy/bribe/lobby the Congress and to pay any amount it takes to
create a PR/public perception of paranoia.
Are there real threats to our interests? Yes, of course....is SDI
or "Star Wars" or this latest nonsense a solution? No way.
Our foreign policy has the short and long term peace, stability,
prosperity, and freedom of the worlds peoples as it's LAST regard.
When we start REALLY standing for those things; we won't need such
an overwhelming global MI Complex WASTING our rescources. Our
foreign policy is ALL about money and the short term profitability
of a few large "players".
As it stands now; the MI Complex is little more than organised
crime "legally" scamming us.
The following articles from todays Times only serve to buttress
my points.
http://nytimes.com/library/national/061300los-alamos-theft.html
http://www.nytimes.com/library/national/science/060900sci-missile-defense.html
I recall reading a lengthy Scientific American article in the
early eighties exposing the absurdities of SDI....it's the same c
rapola all over again.
I wish the Dems had the guts to call the Repubs on this idiocy;
but theiy are, evidently, bought and paid for by the same interests.
It's a dirty rotten shame.
nilent
- 11:13pm Jun 12, 2000 EST (#78
of 11858) "If this were a dictatorship; it'd be a heck of a
lot easier......just so long as I'm the dictator". 12.18.00 THIEF IN
CHIEF: BUSH (trying to make a "funny")
eurvater - 08:02am Jun 9, 2000 EDT (#48 of 77)
Both Clinton's "limited" missile defense program,
and George W.'s mega missile defense proposal are not essentially
different from Reagan's original SDI. They are multi-billion
dollar boondoggles whose only function is to provide risk-free
subsidies to high-tech defense industries and huge payoffs to
stock holders of these industries. It is a sad sight to witness
our political leaders squandering huge sums on science fiction
while lying to the public about these system's abilities to
"defend" us against nuclear war. To be sure, spend enough money
and we might be able to "pull something off." But what we would
"pull off" would be a dismally flawed system, easily circumvented
by decoys, suitcase bombs, bombs on ships, and the like. The world
will be a more dangerous, not a safer place. And we will continue
to waste our discretionary funds to keep our ever-expanding
high-tech military industries afloat, as our own civilian
infrastructure continues to rot for lack of funds.
DITTO, DITTO, A THOUSAND TIMES: DITTO!!!
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