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Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's
war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars"
defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make
the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an
application of science be successful? Is a militarized space
inevitable, necessary or impossible?
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kgblankinship
- 12:21pm Jun 9, 2000 EST (#57
of 11858)
I used to work in the missile industry on a couple of missile
defense programs. Although Postol has often done insightful
analysis, he often does not have access to data of sufficient
quality to adequately base his conclusions. He has been a consistent
critic of missile defense starting with Patriot in Desert Storm, and
seems to have accepted as an article of faith that technology cannot
provide an adequate defense against ballistic missiles.
It has been my experience otherwise. Perhaps the tests of this
missile system were rigged. But can interceptors be designed to
distinguish warheads from decoys ? The answer is yes. There are a
number of ways interceptors can be designed to pick out the warhead:
using infrared signatures, radar signatures, and by tracking the
warhead/decoy trajectories.
The real issue of missile defense is political. If the US is
vulnerable to nuclear missiles from countries like IRAQ, it is much
less likely we will go to war against them. Would we have attacked
in Desert Storm if Saddam had the ability to destroy Los Angeles ?
Most likely not. However, doing away with missile defense appeals to
pacifists who do not want the US to intervene militarily in
countries overseas. It's the Vietnam thing all over again.
gdare
- 12:52pm Jun 9, 2000 EST (#58
of 11858)
Actually, Postol's argument is that missile defense is not ready
for prime time. It's not just him, the case of Dr. Nira Schartz
(ex-TRW) has been going on for a couple of years. Back in the days
of SDI, Professor David Parnas (an RTOS pioneer) objected to the
feasibility of such a system and he turned out to be right.
Given the irrational exuberance over the Patriot's performance,
Ted Postol merely pointed out the obvious: less than 25%
effectiveness.
None of these people are opposed to doing the engineering
research. The "failure" of SDI contributed to the wireless computing
and communications boom that started in the 90's and sky is the
limit as we stand in 2000. The research is worth pursuing, the
spin-off benefits are unknown but look what happened after the space
program, after SDI, etc. Making premature commitments to deployment
and not laying the diplomatic foundations for it are the big
problems.
michaellinder
- 12:59pm Jun 9, 2000 EST (#59
of 11858)
Star Wars was a clever bluff which helped accelerate the fall of
the Soviet Union, but how do you play the same hand once you've
shown your cards? Lie about it, as the military-industrial complex
is doing to keep itself in business at enormous cost to American
taxpayers.
Mr. McCreary (Comment 55) is correct. Missile delivery systems
are but one way to deliver nuclear weapons and missile defense does
nothing to deter rogue terrorists. Republicans, however, would
rather use paranoia to promote their business partners' big budget
schemes. Follow the money trail. "We have met the enemy," said Pogo,
"and he is us."
longiiland
- 01:09pm Jun 9, 2000 EST (#60
of 11858)
"However, doing away with missile defense appeals to pacifists
who do not want the US to intervene militarily in countries
overseas. It's the Vietnam thing all over again."
No..Missile defense does not exist yet-so its not 'doing away'
its not deploying it:) Second its Nuclear Utilization Theory all
over again not 'vietnam'. Scary how easy and quick you are to draw a
word that cost Americans upwards of 54,000 young men and women lives
for the cause of a political point...
pauld115
- 01:49pm Jun 9, 2000 EST (#61
of 11858)
A missle defence system should be built..period...sooner or later
we will have to come to the same point where it is in our interest
to build a system to protect ourselves from foreign aggressors. Lest
we allow ourselves to be balckmailed or one or more of our cities to
be targeted. Think about how well our economy or our government
would hold up if New York or Washington were incinerated...I prefer
to get started on it earlier than later before something happens.
After all how do we know what the future political situation may
be...Better safe than sorry....
tom_short
- 02:51pm Jun 9, 2000 EST (#62
of 11858)
Concerning the article on the "flawed" testing by the Pentagon on
the anti-missle defense system. Seems I saw a movie the other night
concerning the exact same thing. "Pentagon Wars" was the name of the
movie if I remember right. Seems the good old boys club did the same
thing with the Bradley Fighting Vehicle, among other things. When
you can't pass the test, you make the test simpler until you CAN
pass it! What the heck, it's only money. Even if it doesn't work and
we can't use it, we can sell it to third world countries, can't we?
pvenuta
- 03:15pm Jun 9, 2000 EST (#63
of 11858)
OH the wolf doth wear the sheep's clothing. Our technology in
defense systems is far more advanced then CNN can report, including
the missile defense initiative. Is area 51 used to produce bubble
gum? or provide autopsies on kazoo? The advancement of this
technology is far beyond the so called "top secret" intel we are
receiving today.
johnberndt
- 04:07pm Jun 9, 2000 EST (#64
of 11858)
pvenuta - 03:15pm Jun 9, 2000 EDT (#63 of 63)
OH the wolf doth wear the sheep's clothing. Our technology in
defense systems is far more advanced then CNN can report, including
the missile defense initiative. Is area 51 used to produce bubble
gum? or provide autopsies on kazoo? The advancement of this
technology is far beyond the so called "top secret" intel we are
receiving today
No kidding, the only thing we hear about is what the pentegon
wants us to hear about. That is not their latest, most advanced
equipment that they let information leak out about.
johnberndt
- 04:09pm Jun 9, 2000 EST (#65
of 11858)
tom_short - 02:51pm Jun 9, 2000 EDT (#62 of 64)
Concerning the article on the "flawed" testing by the Pentagon on
the anti-missle defense system. Seems I saw a movie the other night
concerning the exact same thing. "Pentagon Wars" was the name of the
movie if I remember right. Seems the good old boys club did the same
thing with the Bradley Fighting Vehicle, among other things. When
you can't pass the test, you make the test simpler until you CAN
pass it! What the heck, it's only money. Even if it doesn't work and
we can't use it, we can sell it to third world countries, can't we?
Seemed to work well enough in Desert Storm.
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