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From: | m. Robert Showalter <mrshowalter@thedawn.com>
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To: | rich@nytimes.com
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Subject: | Fwd: A.E.A. information you requested
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Date: | Sat, 22 Jun 2002 19:05:10 -0700 |
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Hope you don't mind my sending you this. Your OpEd piece today was
MASTERFUL !
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From: | m. Robert Showalter <mrshowalter@thedawn.com>
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Reply-To: | mrshowalter@thedawn.com
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To: | diane.l.eyler@db.com
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Subject: | A.E.A. information you requested
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Date: | Fri, 7 Jun 2002 02:45:39 -0700 |
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Ms. Diane Eyler
Deutshe Bank Securities
375 West Padonia Rd.
Timonium, Md. 21093
Dear Ms. Eyler:
You asked for something in writing on the AEA bankrupcy, for
your file, to justify not re-registering some AEA securities. I'm
providing what I can lay my hands on quickly for that purpose - and
providing direction so you may pursue the matter further if you wish.
These are jpg images.
I believe that Patricia Gibeault is still in practice in Madison.
There is a longer document, not sent, that I can forward to you, or Mr.
XXXXXXXX, on request. It is titled "A Short Review of the Failure of
Automotive Engine Associates and the Prospects for Success of Anatech
Inc." dated January 20, 1987. Anatech did not proceed, partly on the
basis of that report. The AEA patents have now expired, or are nearing
the end of their lives.
I wish those old AEA securities were worth a great deal - and
if it were in my power, they would be. But I can't see any reason at
all to re-register them, or value those pieces of paper at anything
above 0. If I can find a way of giving past AEA investors a return,
which I've sometimes hoped to do, details like registration won't matter.
I believe that details of who bought what, when, and for what
interest can be reconstructed if a time for recompense ever comes. As a
record keeper - I'd put the AEA records in a "dead" file, and judge
them worthless.
If you made the call to me, directly or indirectly, at the
request of Mr. X.X. XXXXXXXXX, you might have other interests, or someone
you send this to might have other interests.
Here are entries I've made on the New York Times - Science - Missile
Defense discussion board:
MD2116 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?14@@.f28e622/2621
"AEA was an effort to make specific breakthroughs in automotive design,
which were made; to greatly extend the culture's ability to apply and
fit mathematical analysis to complex engineering tasks; to demonstrate a
new engineering business structure generalizing Lockheed's "skunk works";
and was a test bed that the government and I hoped would let me find
the "hidden problem" in applied mathematics that seemed crucial in
missile guidance and much else. There's more to say, and I'll be more
explicit. A great deal about AEA can be checked, in detail - and I'll
open any and all records, and explain the situation as best I can -
according to patterns set out in
MD1152 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?14@@.f28e622/1468
MD2104 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?14@@.f28e622/2608 includes
this:
I was involved in the academic-military equivalent of an "extreme sports"
stunt -- and it has been more complicated - in part because it has
involved a mix of security problems, and paradigm conflict problems . .
. .
It has been, for me, the most fascinating nightmare imaginable.
And taunting, because, in so many ways hope - intoxicating hope - has
seemed so close.
Here's a statement that may seem strange to you, manjumicha , but that
seems central to me.
Before AEA blew, in the early 1980's you could say, and I would have
said, that we were very close to a triumph for almost everybody
concerned, and for America -- a triumph for the military, for high
officers like Casey, and even a triumph for humane values . . . for all
the ugliness the Cold War involved. We were doing something new,
something important, and it was working - - and Steve Kline had good
reasons to take half time leave from his Stanford Professorship -
against passionate opposition - to work on the project. A lot of people
had reason to be proud - - - of themselves, and of America.
Then Casey "pulled a plug" -- for reasons that made operational sense at
the time.
Then something unexpected happened - - I broke. Badly. For a while,
actually lost the ability to read.
That was more than 15 years ago, and I've done a good deal of work since.
There are few things more disastrous than a "tight" complicated sequence,
with all sorts of things calculated to a "knats's eyelash" - that falls
apart.
But the "putting it back together" has been rough, but fascinating.
MD1152 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?14@@.f28e622/1468
http://www.wisc.edu/rshowalt/klinerec
If I can get a workable way to proceed (and, so far as the security
situation goes, a workable fiction would do) I believe that there's a
lot to hope for.
MD2101 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?14@@.f28e622/2605
includes this:
MD1077 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?14@@.f28e622/1370
"Some of my background, which you also know, was on this thread before
March 2, and is now set out on a Guardian thread .. Psychwarfare,
Casablanca -- and terror
. 273-277 http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?13@@.ee7a163/289 (enclosed)
278-279 http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?14@@.ee7a163/294 (enclosed)
"I believe that I'm doing, as nearly as it possibly can be done, exactly
what Bill Casey would want me to do now, for the good of the United
States of America, and for the safety and decency of the world." Is
there deception here? One would have to check.
http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?13@@.ee7a163/289 cites a posting
previously on this (NYT--MD thread) that starts:
rshowalter - 07:22am Jun 26, 2001 EST (#6057 of 7079) Robert Showalter
mrshowalter@thedawn.com
"I say here that I knew Bill Casey a little.
"And of course, everything's deniable - I'm not sure anybody has any
records at all. Maybe I'm a literary figure -- call me Ishmael.
"The story I like best about me, in this regard, is that I'm just a guy
who got interested in logic, and military issues. A guy who got
concerned about nuclear danger, and related military balances, and tried
to do something about it. Based on what he knew - with no access to
special information of any kind, he made an effort to keep the world
from blowing up, using the best literary devices he could fashion,
consistent with what he knew or could guess.
"Let me go on with another story."
How much simpler my life would be, if I could proceed in confidence that
people believed "the story I like best" -- fictions and all.
Maybe, after actually asking questions of the government, that will be
possible.
If the government can't find records involving me and classified
research -- hasn't and won't pay for the work - - and denies they were
ever involved with me -- then perhaps I can own my past, unencumbered,
and more into the future.
Or, if there are encumberances, those encumberances can be defined.
* * * * * * * *
I have sent a fax to Mr. XXXXXXXXX, at CIA, and the text of that fax,
with his name deleted, an the name of an officer at the University of
Wisconsin deleted, is set out, with some references attached, in
MD2473 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?14@@.f28e622/3091
MD2474 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?14@@.f28e622/3093
MD2475 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?14@@.f28e622/3094
MD2476 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?14@@.f28e622/3095
MD2477 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?14@@.f28e622/3096
I am terribly sorry that AEA failed, and lost everything I owned when it
did.
Sincerely yours,
M. Robert Showalter
608-829-3657
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New York Times on the Web Forums Science
Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's
war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars"
defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make
the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an
application of science be successful? Is a militarized space
inevitable, necessary or impossible?
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new Web-only feature culled from Readers' Opinions, published every
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rshow55
- 09:23pm Jun 6, 2002 EST (#2473
of 2477)
Mr. XXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXX, C.I.A.
Dear Mr. XXXXXXX,
Thank you for taking my call Monday. I'm sending you this by fax;
sending an e-mail copy of the text to you over the open CIA email
line, and posting the text, with names and positions deleted, on the
New York Times - Science - Missile Defense forum ---- where citation
links set out here can be accessed with the click of a mouse. I'm
also sending a copy to XXXXXXXXXXXXX of the University of Wisconsin.
In a meeting with XXXXXXXXXX on May20th, we discussed the following
question - - a question that has been a cause of difficulties for
me, and for the University of Wisconsin in its interactions with me,
for some time.
Could things be arranged so that I could talk to
______, or some other professional, on technical matters, in a way
so that I had reasonable confidence, and _________ had reasonable
confidence, that, whatever other problems we might have, our
conversation did not violate US national security laws? MD2327 rshow55
5/20/02 5:43pm
I'm asking to have a chance to "debrief" -- to explain to the
government information that I believe may be of interest, along with
some background involving that information. I know I won't
necessarily be believed without checking, and don't expect to be. I
understand that both your time, and government investigation
resources in general, are limited, and other priorities are
pressing. I'm prepared to look for ways to "debrief" that involve
minimum time and expense to the government, and would like to
discuss them. I do want to convey the information on a basis where
it is clear and a matter of record that the information has been
transmitted to a responsible person in the government. Perhaps the
information is not of enough interest for the government to attend
to. You know your priorities and usages, and I do not. Whatever you
choose to do in that regard, it seems to me that if the government
wishes to restrict any product of my mind in any way based on
national security law - government officers should talk to me about
what the restrictions are. XXXXXXXXXXXX has my permission to tell
you anything he knows about me, including the contents of our
meetings.
I wish my May 20th meeting with XXXXXXXXXXXX had been recorded,
because it covered, perhaps in a more direct way than a letter can,
the key reasons I'm asking to get my security problem adressed, in
the context as it is. Perhaps a similar meeting with XXXXXXXXXXXXX,
or some other trusted person or persons, that was recorded and
submitted to your agency, could generate enough information to
resolve the problems I have with the government that need to be
resolved now. This might be especially reasonable if it is decided
that there are no security law restrictions on my work, either
because my contacts are now old, or for any other reason.
I'm off to a Cornell reunion. I'll try to call you by phone early
next week, and will check in with XXXXXXXXXX about the same time.
Mr XXXXXXX, I hadn't known that you were at CIA until last week.
Had I known, I would have contacted you long ago.
Sincerely yours,
M. Robert Showalter 608-829-3657 mrshowalter@thedawn.com
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