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 [F] New York Times on the Web Forums  / Science  /

    Missile Defense

Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an application of science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable, necessary or impossible?

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lchic - 08:19am Mar 10, 2003 EST (# 9742 of 9747)
~~~~ It got understood and exposed ~~~~

onour

an asumption that the US troops will act honourably http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/cRosett/?id=110003090

rshow55 - 08:21am Mar 10, 2003 EST (# 9743 of 9747) Delete Message
Can we do a better job of finding truth? YES. Click "rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have done and worked for on this thread.

Repression - and unconscious things, active and at some level known - but unconscious or denied, are a source of problems.

A number of cites from this thread on the article Repress Yourself , especially connected to the shuttle matter, have been set out on the thread devoted to Slater's article

114 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@28.HqdBa1hK5qI.1024221@.f39a52e/114 to 126 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@28.HqdBa1hK5qI.1024221@.f39a52e/126

Another source of problems, that I think matters in the Iraq matter - with our problems with radical Islam, and with our problems with North Korea, involve problems of paradigm conflict including automatic and unconscious perceptual processing.

A classic experiment is described in THE STRUCTURE OF SCIENTIFIC REVOLUTIONS 2nd Ed. by Thomas S. Kuhn, , at the end of Chapter 6 “Anomaly and the Emergence of Scientific Discoveries”

313 http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?14@138.SCCbcNceBno^1@.ee7726f/367

314 http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?14@138.SCCbcNceBno^1@.ee7726f/368

Some other references to paradigm conflict problems - which are a barrier to peaceful resolution - are set out in 116 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@201.dgfSa6OVF8o^287330@.f28e622/137

I think lchic and I have reason to be proud of the intellectual achievements linked in 116.

I believe that there is a good chance that the Bush administration can get good answers to the problems set out in Wizard's Chess http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/05/opinion/05SUN1.html

America now faces a national security challenge of extraordinary complexity. Washington must simultaneously cope with three separate and potentially grave threats — from Iraq, from North Korea and from the threat of reconstituted international terrorist networks.

To do that, and to deal with the problems the rest of the world has with us, and we with them, we have to do a better job of "connecting the dots" than we've done - and insist that others do so as well, in ways that work. I think that's possible.

But for progress to be possible - some key facts and relations have to be faced.

New Analysis Sees Shuttle Breakup Beginning Earlier By MATTHEW L. WALD with JOHN SCHWARTZ http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/10/national/nationalspecial/10SHUT.html

WASHINGTON, March 9 — The shuttle Columbia was already spinning out of control, its left wing and left maneuvering jets damaged or destroyed, in the last two seconds of data transmission, two officials close to the investigation said today, citing a new analysis by NASA.

The analysis, scheduled for release early this week, paints a picture of desperate trouble far earlier in the shuttle's re-entry than had been previously described.

The word "described" could have been "admitted."

Much too often, the patterns of behavior shown in the NASA matter are characteristic of the US military-industrial complex - which is now out of reasonable control. Americans who love their country ought to see that questions are asked - and answered to valid closure. Other nation states - now hard pressed by US arguments that they do not feel comfortable with - should ask questions too. Checking the assertions about facts on this thread would go a long way toward making hope reasonable.

lchic - 08:23am Mar 10, 2003 EST (# 9744 of 9747)
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Helen Caldicott | Truth Legitimacy Honour

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