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Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a
nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a
"Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed
considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense
initiatives more successful? Can such an application of
science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable,
necessary or impossible?
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rshow55
- 04:26pm Feb 27, 2003 EST (#
9338 of 9347) Can we do a better job of finding truth?
YES. Click "rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have done and
worked for on this thread.
gisterme: http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@28.Hwpja8hc4q1.0@.f28e622/10871
If the liberation of Iraq can be accomplished with only the
threat of war, not war - that will be wonderful. There's still
hope of that - and the Bush administration is plainly doing
some careful negotiating.
It is worth noting that the people of Iraq and the people
of France are different people - and Saddam is not - from the
Iraqi point of view - a foreign invader.
gisterme
- 04:49pm Feb 27, 2003 EST (#
9339 of 9347)
rshow55 - 04:12pm Feb 27, 2003 EST (# 9332...) http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@28.Hwpja8hc4q1.0@.f28e622/10867
"...Gisterme - I think a problem is how easy it is to
dehumanize and dismiss people - for instance, just dismissing
them as "evil."..."
We've already agreed that Saddam Hussein and other
historical figures that he is emulating are evil. That's not
dismissing them. That's just calling a spade a spade. Have you
changed your mind about that? Do you feel that Saddam Hussein
is being dismissed? Would you like to see him
dismissed so that he can continue and even magnify his crimes
against humanity?
I hope not, Robert.
"...Standing up for the group is a great thing to do -
but at times - right answers are distasteful. To anybody. But
sometimes they matter a great deal."
Of course right answers matter, Robert, whether or not a
group is involved. I don't say they sometimes matter, I
say they always matter.
That's why, distasteful or not, the truth of a matter must
be not only enunciated but acted upon, especially when the
truth is that many millions of lives, perhaps hundreds of
millions of lives, could be adversly affected by ignoring it.
rshow55
- 05:12pm Feb 27, 2003 EST (#
9340 of 9347) Can we do a better job of finding truth?
YES. Click "rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have done and
worked for on this thread.
gisterme: http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@28.Hwpja8hc4q1.0@.f28e622/10875
Compared to historical standards - things may be going very
well - it seems to me.
If we come out of this with an international law that works
- backed by a substantial consensus of nations and the people
in them - able to raise standards - and get better
arrangements for people - that would be wonderful -- and it
looks possible.
I thought this was an interesting piece:
'Any fool can make war. Peace requires greater vision
and courage' Ronan Bennett Thursday February 27, 2003 http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,903839,00.html
And a collection of articles: If not war then what?
includes these links - each with many interesting opinions.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,903742,00.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,903938,00.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,903943,00.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,903871,00.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,903864,00.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,903740,00.html
But of course, in the end the international community
doesn't need "interesting opinions - it need negotiations that
work for what they are supposed to do.
Last time, after a lot of back and forth - I think the UN
Security Council did excellent work. Maybe this time, too.
I notice that the Bush administration is doing a lot of
talking to the Russians. Maybe something good will come of it.
I wish Saddam would have the sense to cut a good deal for
his country, and himself, and leave Iraq. He could find
interesting, constructive things to do for himself - and save
his people, his religion, and the whole world a lot of
trouble.
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