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 [F] New York Times on the Web Forums  / Science  /

    Missile Defense

Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an application of science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable, necessary or impossible?

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gisterme - 02:47am Feb 27, 2003 EST (# 9315 of 9321)

rshow55 - 07:11pm Feb 26, 2003 EST (# 9314 of ...) http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@28.kmgsaTye4Mv.0@.f28e622/10848

"...On this thread, again and again, there have been technical arguments - and with absolutely stunning, monotonous regularity - gisterme presents arguments that make no technical sense at all - that are perversely wrong - and feels right about them..."

That statement would be correct only if one were to substitue "Showalter" for gisterme. I invite anybody to check the record.

"...That's because gisterme tends to "believe what he wants to believe"..."

Are you implying that you don't believe what you want to believe, Robert, or are you just being hyporcitical? Heh, heh. That must mean that you only believe what you don't want to believe or that you don't believe anything at all. Which is it?

You make me think of the "contrary" indian character in the movie Little Big Man...he rode his horse backward, bathed in dirt, dried in the river... :-)

"... - and is dependent on staffs that fear him - and have been "pleasing the boss" rather than getting right answers for a long time..."

That statement is proof that you're the one who's believing what he wants to believe, you hyprocrite! You know that statement is not the truth. I've told you myself, many times. Why do you insist on propagating such a falsehood? Not only do you believe only what you want to believe, but you don't believe what you don't want to hear even when it's the truth. ;-)

I have no staff(s), nobody fears me (except apparantly you) and I'm nobody's boss, Robert. I can't think of a single person who knows me that I don't get along with, and most I count as friends.

So far as monotony goes, you're the master of it, Robert. I can't imagine why anybody would bother, but if they wanted to they could look back through this thread and see the same baseless (and in my opinion mindless) crap repeated over and over and over in your posts. Even though it doesn't make any sense, you still repeat it! Why? Is that a dot somebody should be trying to connect?

Only a few days ago, fredmoore compressed virtually all you've said on this thread in thousands of posts into one paragraph! I'm still impressed. :-)

gisterme - 02:52am Feb 27, 2003 EST (# 9316 of 9321)

mazza9 - 11:44am Feb 26, 2003 EST (# 9302 of ...) http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@28.kmgsaTye4Mv.0@.f28e622/10836

"...Well done my friend...."

Thanks for the kind words, Lou...but, they obviously still don't "get it".

fredmoore - 06:03am Feb 27, 2003 EST (# 9317 of 9321)

One dot that hasn't been properly connected is Darwinian survival.

We don't have the luxury to consider innocent children and engage in checking and re-checking all the facts about a dictator. By definition a dictator is historically speaking a person who aspires to divinity based on a cusp in technological advancement where he has more than his share of that technology. The best example is Romans V Greeks. The Romans had an edge in steel and whilst not as fit a culture as the Greeks laid plans to defeat them with unbeatable steel weapons. Hitler harnessed assembly line mass production techniques and modern industrial chemistry and catalysis. But for a few mistakes, he could have succeeded.

You can't negotiate with a dictator on a divinity trip ... you find out his hi-tech edge and destroy him before he destroys you. That in essense is Darwinian fitness. The dorks I saw debating Tony Blair today IMHO are unfit for survival. You see their kind on the animal channel every other day. They make that first (and last) mistake of assuming invincibility before a predator and spend the last moments of life being chased down in a lather of sweat before having their throats torn out.

I for one am grateful to Tony Blair .... he certainly does not aspire to divinity but is a first rate Historian .. an essential attribute of a modern survivor.

lchic - 07:30am Feb 27, 2003 EST (# 9318 of 9321)
~~~~ It got understood and exposed ~~~~

Gisterme said

"Robert. I can't think of a single person who knows me that I don't get along with, and most I count as friends. "

Isn't this exactly proving Showalter's point ... people like to be liked within a social grouping.

The BIG question being ... when do they work for the group ... and when do they stand-up for truth?

lchic - 07:44am Feb 27, 2003 EST (# 9319 of 9321)
~~~~ It got understood and exposed ~~~~

NK


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