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    Missile Defense

Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an application of science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable, necessary or impossible?

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almarst2002 - 03:53pm Feb 8, 2003 EST (# 8714 of 8726)

What is really most appaling in this "western scorpion" story, its the ordinary innocent people who pay the price of this grand geopolitical games of betraial, deception and murder.

It may be inavitable result of "real-politics" but I refuse to call the criminals by their chosen names. Even when NYT continues to call them as they like to be called.

lchic - 03:59pm Feb 8, 2003 EST (# 8715 of 8726)
~~~~ It got understood and exposed ~~~~

Al ran 'chemicals' in Chicago

Took on a Goverment role

Collected 'tax'

'St. Valentine's Day Massacre'

Hired top lawyers

Got snagged on a tax loophole

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=prohibition+repeal+of++Capone&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&meta=

rshow55 - 04:00pm Feb 8, 2003 EST (# 8716 of 8726) Delete Message
Can we do a better job of finding truth? YES. Click "rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have done and worked for on this thread.

There's a surreal quality to what is going on.

Questions of fact are matters of life and death - and as of now - conventions prohibit checking - much, much too often. And people who want checking have to show unusual courage.

A book has been discussed on this thread many times - and the warning in the book bears considering now.

The book is NEWS AND THE CULTURE OF LYING: How Journalism Really Works by Paul H. Weaver --- Free Press, 1994.

Inside the dust cover, there's this:

"News is in no way the reflection of reality it claims to be. Nor have even its most radical critics grasped its true nature. News, Paul H. Weaver argues, is largely a fabrication - a record of the joint performances by which journalists and official sources foist a highly artificial sense of permanent emergency on the public.

"The modern news genre has its origins in a sweeping but little-understood revolution at the turn of the (20th century) by figures like Joseph Pulitzer, Ivy Ledbetter Lee, and Woodrow Wilson, who helped to gut the liberal traditions of American democracy and replace them with a system of constitutional oligarchy based on news, the public-relations oriented corporation, and the activist presidency. The main product and governing instrument of this new "emergency state" is a "culture of lying," which has its sources in the hidden institutional relationships that control the production of news.

http://www.mrshowalter.net/a_md01000s/md1289.htm http://www.mrshowalter.net/a_md01000s/md1295_.htm

http://www.mrshowalter.net/a_md01000s/md1409_.htm http://www.mrshowalter.net/a_md01000s/md1865.htm http://www.mrshowalter.net/a_md2000s/md2401.htm http://www.mrshowalter.net/a_md2000s/md2761.htm

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http://www.mrshowalter.net/a_md9000s/md9639.htm http://www.mrshowalter.net/a_md10000s/md10152new3.htm

http://www.mrshowalter.net/a_md11000s/md11572.htm

We should be able to do better - with the internet - and ways of "connecting the dots" protyped on this thread and elsewhere.

almarst2002 - 04:01pm Feb 8, 2003 EST (# 8717 of 8726)

The administration's argument for war has shifted in a dizzying Cubist cascade over the last months. Dissident voices are either ignored or veiled. - http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/05/opinion/05DOWD.html

"When Colin Powell goes to the United Nations today to make his case for war with Saddam, the U.N. plans to throw a blue cover over Picasso's antiwar masterpiece, "Guernica."

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