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Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an application of science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable, necessary or impossible?

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lchic - 11:27am Jan 26, 2003 EST (# 8104 of 8108)
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Interesting how Nation States find it difficult to run 'RAIL' without continual accidents .... so many things can go wrong and do!

rshow55 - 11:31am Jan 26, 2003 EST (# 8105 of 8108)
Can we do a better job of finding truth? YES. Click "rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have done and worked for on this thread.

gisterme writes: . . . You're absolutely right about what's said on these forums not making any difference to world affairs. All these forums are good for is letting we individuals express our views, right or wrong. That's why the forums are under a "reader's opinons" link. I wish Robert could somehow get that through his head.

When patterns are formed by the logic of the situation - and match a great deal - there is a moral obligation to check them.

There is plenty of reason to think that gisterme is President of the United States by crosschecking the logic of this thread - which has been ongoing at high volume since March 2000 - and particularly since I was told to post here on September 25, 2000.

The consistency patterns set out here deal with things that matter - and they should be checked.

Nation states who care about decency, and their own interests - should insist on it.

http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?14@@.ee7a163/319 and especially http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?14@@.ee7a163/346 give reasons why this is not "just another reader's opinion thread" - and why things should be checked for consistency against external standards . There are many ways to do this - and do it on a public and umpired basis where results would be beyond a reasonable doubt - and where people could be told "here - look for yourself" - not asked to trust blindly.

I am doing just exactly what Bill Casey asked me to do - within the flexibility I was entrusted with - and though things are sometimes moving more slowly than I wish - I am serving the national interest. I think Ronald Reagan would agree. The Cold War has been won - and things justified to fight the Cold War are justified no longer. It is a crime to set up one situation after another that produces war - largely or mostly to justify a now very corrupt military-industrial complex. The military-industrial complex should clean up its act. For that to happen - lying by the military and the US government has to come under better control.

I think I know who gisterme is - and on the basis of what I believe - I think he has some things to be proud of - but a lot to be ashamed of, as well.

He should do better. People should expect that. Some things should be checked to constrain his ability to lie, defraud the American people, and kill needlessly, either intentionally or by mistake.

lchic - 11:31am Jan 26, 2003 EST (# 8106 of 8108)
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Deceit (De*ceit") (?), n.

1. An attempt or disposition to deceive or lead into error; any declaration, artifice, or practice, which misleads another, or causes him to believe what is false; a contrivance to entrap; deception; a wily device; fraud. "Making the ephah small and the shekel great, and falsifying the balances by deceit." Amos viii. 5. "Friendly to man, far from deceit or guile." Milton. "Yet still we hug the dear deceit." N. Cotton.

2. (Law) Any trick, collusion, contrivance, false representation, or underhand practice, used to defraud another. When injury is thereby effected, an action of deceit, as it called, lies for compensation.

Synonyms -- Deception; fraud; imposition; duplicity; trickery; guile; falsifying; double-dealing; stratagem. See Deception. http://www.selfknowledge.com/23796.htm

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Deceit is to be used to determine that Saddam must go ...

rshow55 - 11:33am Jan 26, 2003 EST (# 8107 of 8108)
Can we do a better job of finding truth? YES. Click "rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have done and worked for on this thread.

If gisterme is President of the United States - and there is very good reason to believe that he is - what gisterme says is important as we judge a situation where - in fundamental ways - we're being asked to have blind faith in Bush's good judgement.

If Bush is gisterme - he isn't entitled to that. Not by a long shot.

People - including leaders of nation states - should check. Enough matters that some usual conventions should be over-ridden in this case.

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