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Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a
nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a
"Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed
considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense
initiatives more successful? Can such an application of
science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable,
necessary or impossible?
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lunarchick
- 10:11pm Jan 9, 2003 EST (#
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NK spends $5-7 billion pa on Military
Put the USA figure on the board please!
gisterme
- 12:30am Jan 10, 2003 EST (#
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lunarchick
1/9/03 5:40am
"...Euros said that Americans didn't have the experience
of their cities being bombed and flattened WWII..."
That's right, lunarchick. America went to war to put a stop
to that in Europe and to prevent the same from happening at
home.
America is at war now for the same reason.
What does the fact that American cities had never been
attacked from the air prior to Sept 11, 2001 have to do with
knowing America knowing about the capital or social cost of
war?
There were three quarters of a million gold stars displayed
in American windows during WWII. Those stars were there
because America was willing to spend the blood of its young
men to defend a concept, Liberty. America wasn't
attacked by Germany before it decided to spend that fiscal and
social capital to help it's friends. It was not a member of
anybody's empire. What other nation has spent so dearly for
less than its own home defense? Can you name one?
Incidently , I'd like to apologize for getting angry at
what you said yesterday about all this. Although I meant what
I said, pity would have been a more appropriate emotion.
Getting angry at someone because they are ignorant,
misinformed or mentally challenged is not a good thing. Sorry.
gisterme
- 01:35am Jan 10, 2003 EST (#
7546 of 7557)
lunarchick
1/9/03 6:02am
"...A US Senator it putting up a bill that says a
representative cross section of Americans should be called up
to go to Iraq..."
Why call up anybody who doesn't want to volunteer when
nobody more is needed? The senator you mention has partisan
and self serving political reasons for making his proposal.
"...The Good Senator says that AfAms compose the US
military for the most part ... whereas in the general
population they ae 25% (nearer 11% ?) ..."
I don't know if that's true or not, lunarchick; but, if all
people are created equal, and we live in a truly integrated
society, why should it matter? Why do you suppose the "good
senator" insists on trying to sustain a sort of social
segration against the will of all? Do you suppose the good
senator would make the same proposal if the US military were
entirely composed of Americans of Europoean ethnicity?
Place your index fingers gently on your temples, your
thumbs at the base of your earlobes, your pinkies together at
the bridge of your nose and try to reason this question out:
"Why would a senator from a particular political party, one
that counts on the votes of blacks, want to be creating an
illusion of continued segregation and victimization among
blacks?"
Stop trying to think now, lunarchick, lest you strain
yourself. I'll tell you the obvious answer. When blacks
realize that they are truly integrated into American society
they will no longer be a "voting bloc". They will no longer be
politically segregated.
This is one of those situations I've been talking about
lately and an example I'm glad you've brought to light. Even
though blacks have the same rights as anybody else here, for
the sake of sustaining political segregation, the perception
that they do not have equal rights is projected, contrary to
the reality, in order to keep them "grouped". The price that
black citizens pay for that is remaining segregated by the
very folks they vote for.
"...The military sucks in the AfAm population because
it's a way of them putting themselves through 'college' and
getting that degree!..."
Why shouldn't anyone take advantage of an opportunity?
You're beginning to sound like a segregationist yourself,
lunarchick. Do you hear what you're saying?
"...The Senator says 'all' should have a cross-sectional
opportunity to endure the 'war' experience ..."
All do have the opportunity to endure the military
experience. All they need do is volutneer. But all Americans
have no choice but to endure the war experience even if they
don't volunteer. That's because they're Americans and America
is at war.
"...of course he's [the "good" senator] right
!..."
Think what you will, lunarchick. I think the senator you
refer to is a self serving coward who's selling out all those
folks who share his ethnic background by counting them and
their own personal decisions less worthy than those of all
other Americans.
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