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 [F] New York Times on the Web Forums  / Science  /

    Missile Defense

Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an application of science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable, necessary or impossible?

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wordspayy - 07:48pm Nov 21, 2002 EST (# 6083 of 6087)

My position:

Because AS THE LARGEST hegemonic power in the region with holding nuclear weapons, this power has the unique ability to DETERMINE BY ACTION what others will do. Thus, by not conducting a policy that embraces NMD this power actually INVITES others in the system NOT to embrace NMD technology. However if the largest hegemonic power with the largest nuclear weapons stockpile seeks NMD, then it REQUIRES all states within the system to seek the same.

rshow55 - 07:56pm Nov 21, 2002 EST (# 6084 of 6087) Delete Message
Can we do a better job of finding truth? YES. Click "rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have done and worked for on this thread.

http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?14@@.ee7a163/377

I've often said that I thought gisterme was Condoleezza Rice - and I believe that Rice has written some of the gisterme postings. But looking at styles, it seems very likely that gisterme postings are done by several people - at least two. Not necessarily of the same sex - but perhaps very close personal friends. There is enough text that one might be able to make some very good statistical judgements - ruling "suspects" in and out as writers of that text. In my view, Bush is a suspect - something that might be worth checking.

That's only inference - a "connection of the dots" that has some plausibility, some internal consistency - some structure - but that would have to be checked.

I hope the inference is true - and that my inferenece that "almarst" has close connections to Russia is also true, because communication can find "shared spaces" where solutions may be found - where a lack of contact can close off hope.

To "connnect the dots" it is necessary to " collect the dots " - - and lchic and I have been working on these TALK boards and on NYT forums to show how "dots" of evidence and argument can be collected using the internet. Information can only be considered, weighed, focused, and used to draw conclusions when it is available together - closely and conveniently enough in space and time.

Other people might collect other "dots".

Different staffs, with different viewpoints, might collect different evidence and opinions - not just individuals.

Patterns of umpiring can be fit into the crossreferencing format.

Steve Kline, my late partner, said this:

"The human mind is a wonderful associative engine, but a weak logical engine. . . . We need to keep asking ourselves two questions: (i) What are the credible data from ALL sources? (ii) How can we formulate a model or solution that is consistent with all the credible data?

All human beings can do is try.

Lunarchick and I are trying hard.

This thread has gone on a long time. Here are specifically technical references to "missile defense".

MD84 rshow55 3/2/02 10:52am

How I wish either Putin, or leaders of North Korea - could find the courage to "cut through the smoke" and call somebody with real contacts like Joey Berlin.

rshow55 - 08:02pm Nov 21, 2002 EST (# 6085 of 6087) Delete Message
Can we do a better job of finding truth? YES. Click "rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have done and worked for on this thread.

http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?14@@.ee7a163/351

If Putin had enough courage - even enough courage to get good contacts with Germany - there would be clear ways to get some key things checked - about missile defense, and the Cold War - and we could all be safer.

wordspayy - 08:06pm Nov 21, 2002 EST (# 6086 of 6087)

rshow55/Lunarchick - 07:56pm Nov 21, 2002 EST (# 6084 of 6085)

YOU my dear idiot are a moron

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