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    Missile Defense

Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an application of science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable, necessary or impossible?

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rshow55 - 05:17pm Oct 16, 2002 EST (# 4948 of 4974) Delete Message
Can we do a better job of finding truth? YES. Click "rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have done and worked for on this thread.

Sometime on October 15th, a posting I made on July 25, 2001 in the Guardian Talk threads Psychwarfare, Casablanca . . . and terror - International and Paradigm Shift. . whose getting there? - Science was deleted by someone else. It was deleted, I believe, to alter the record of the work lchic and I have been doing here on the NYT Missile Defense board and the Guardian for more than two years.

The deleted link described, with many citations, a detailed briefing that I'd given almarst - - the MD board's "Putin stand-in" in March of 2001.

I personally hoped at the time of the briefing that Putin was taking time out of his schedule to attend to the briefing - a time-out referred to in Muddle in Moscow http://www.economist.com/displayStory.cfm?Story_ID=533129

Perhaps I'm incorrect, but that hope still seems consistent with the facts - - and it seems to me that Putin's performance since that briefing effort is consistent with attention to the briefing.

I comment on the deletion in MD4918 rshow55 10/15/02 9:13pm

The deleted link is reproduced in MD4919 - 4923 rshow55 10/15/02 9:21pm

For reasons that interested people can trace from links set out if they click "rshow55" in the upper left hand corner of this posting - - lchic and I have been working under difficult circumstances, doing work we've felt a duty to do. My motives have been professional and economic, as well.

The "briefing effort" that took place on March 17 and 23, 2001 is something I'm personally proud of, and sets out principles that I believe are useful in national economic policy, for Russia and for other countries.

It seems to me that many Islamic countries might profit from some of it - and that sometimes Americans might profit from some of it. It reflects thoughts and concerns that I discussed extensively with Bill Casey - who headed the SEC for a time, and with Steve Kline, who for many years co-chaired the Values, Technology and Society program at Stanford University.

I've reposted the entire March 2001 briefing referred to in the deleted July 25 2001 posting on the Guardian Talk thread - - Mankind's Inhumanity to Man and Woman - As natural as human goodness - Issues http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?14@@.ee7b085/383 postings #340-356.

The phrase "missile defense" does not occur in the briefing - but the work was done consistent with the heading that applied to this thread at the time in March 2001 when it was written.

bbbuck - 05:33pm Oct 16, 2002 EST (# 4949 of 4974)
'Whoever you are, I've always depended on the kindness of strangers'

to rshow55:
who's dawn?
to gisterme:
commiedata - good one.
Uh.... not that I know anything about commondata, I just thought it was a good taunt.

mazza9 - 06:26pm Oct 16, 2002 EST (# 4950 of 4974)
"Quae cum ita sunt" Caesar's Gallic Commentaries

Robert: so you were involved in the marriage of animal intelligence to missile guidance technology in the '60s? I remember and Aviation Week article from many years ago when the Navy was trying to harness a pigeons eyesight, (eyes like an eagle!) to look for ship wreck survivors. A blister would be affixed under the chin of a SAR helicopter. The pigeon would be taught to find downed aviators or ship wrecked seamen by virtue of the fact that their acutity is so much finer than a human's. They would peck and it would be recorded and transmitted in such a manner that the pilot would be directed to gaze toward the pigeon's gaze angle and "find" the lost soul.

Is this the grave security secret that you are worried about? Give me a break. It's no wonder....

Say in a thousand words or less can you answer the above Yes/No Question? I look forward to your next 25 meaningless posts which will ignore this question.

Say lchic, are you advising your Australian friends, (assuming that you have friends) to ignore the Bali blast. After all it's really all my fault, isn't it?

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