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Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a
nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a
"Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed
considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense
initiatives more successful? Can such an application of
science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable,
necessary or impossible?
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rshow55
- 08:35am Sep 10, 2002 EST (#
4254 of 4255)
Can we do a better job of finding truth? YES. Click
"rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have done and worked for
on this thread.
When large news organizations such as The New York Times
cannot solve problems by covering the facts about them -- why
don't the solutions happen, when they often seem very
clear?
A lot of the time, the problems can't be solved because the
"dots" are not collected so that people, as they are, can
actually connect them. People have to "connect the dots" that
they see together, or closely connected, in space and time. A
problem with the newspaper format, wonderful as it is, is just
there. It is a sequential format - and presents torrents of
information -- over days, weeks, months. . . . . . People
can't "connect the dots" - almost nobody except specific beat
reporters has the facts together, and remembers them over
time. What is presented is impermanent - and not discussed in
ways that get facts that need to be questioned - and
established. Even the "facts" are dismissed - whether they
should be or not -- because it is too hard to get them
considered - repeatedly - and with those who would dispute
them invited to comment. Also dismissed because, when it
matters, there are not umpires to enforce decent community
standards of honest discourse.
For example, it would be hard to find a story that better
deserves to be remembered -- and connected to details, than
Requiem for an Honorable Profession By GRETCHEN
MORGENSON http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/05/business/yourmoney/05CULT.html
A key point Morgenson makes, that is concerned with
most of the times when newspapers are less influential than
they ought to be, involves money.
Morgenson writes:
"Meanwhile, Wall Street watches and waits as
Merrill Lynch and Mr. Spitzer wrestle over solutions to the
problem of tainted research. All the former analysts
interviewed for this article said they were not surprised
that brokerage firms had been less than eager to reform
their firms and eliminate the potential for conflicts.
Research, after all, does not generate income; it drains it.
Checking is a cost. Presentation and collection of
information have costs. Analysis has costs. For most newpaper
articles, it seems to me that we have every reason to be
thankful, and presentation as part of a moving "torrent" may
be just sufficient.
But suppose it happens (and I bet this happens often) that
the journalistic teams involved in coverage feel that some
issues deserve MORE coverage, or better collection than just
the streaming flow of a newspaper can provide? How is it to be
done? How are questions that should be taken to closure
actually taken to closure? Who can pay?
In the case of Enron, the NYT did a great service by
setting up a web digest - http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/14/business/_ENRON-PRIMER.html
- as well as a separate thread. But to do that very often,
with the economics of the business as it is, there would need
to be support
MD1986 rshow55
5/3/02 5:02pm . . . there is a great deal of foundation
money out in the world - looking for good things to do - and
often spent in ways that the people involved find marginal.
rshow55
- 08:43am Sep 10, 2002 EST (#
4255 of 4255)
Can we do a better job of finding truth? YES. Click
"rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have done and worked for
on this thread.
If the NYT wanted foundation support for web digests,
and other extensions of the medium, especially in cooperation
with other news operations here and abroad - it would only
have to ask people in the foundation community - carefully -
and with issues of status and protocol handled gracefully.
Would there be problems, operational and ethical, to deal
with? Sure. But they could be worked out.
Some of the problems that newspapers fail to solve can be
solved - and solutions could be found fairly soon. There would
be work required at the level of technique (and the engineers
court format discussed on this thread could be a test bed for
resolving most of these). But in addition, for particular
purposes -- journalistic powers will have to ask for help to
supplement their work for valid pubic purposes. They could get
that support -- and should.
Not even the TIMES is rich enough to do without such
support - or widely trusted enough to do without broader
contacts and patterns of cooperation than it now uses.
Missile defense would be a very good prototype for
discussion, in part because the "missile defense" boondoggle
involves so many of the same patterns as enronation.
There are many other subjects that could also serve that
prototyping purpose well.
In the middle east -- both with respect to the
Israel-Palestine mess, and the Iraqi mess -- a number of
things need to be clearer than the are. With the internet, and
resources around, the nation and the world could do
much better.
Everybody's opinions could be questioned. But some facts
and relations - considered enough, would crystallize to
clarity. And everybody within speaking distance of mainstream
discourse could, and could be asked to look for
themselves.
That's what persuasion takes in jury trials. When it
matters enough - "here -- look for yourself" is the
standard. People know how to meet that standard quite often -
and they could meet that standard more often than they do.
The technical barriers to meeting that standard are less
daunting than they used to be, and some of the social barriers
are lower, too.
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