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Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a
nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a
"Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed
considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense
initiatives more successful? Can such an application of
science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable,
necessary or impossible?
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wrcooper
- 01:45pm Aug 10, 2002 EST (#3610
of 3615)
Lou,
Ballistic missile defense may be doable, given enough
resources, breakthroughs and time. I don't think a workable
system is impossible. It would be foolish to say so.
However, suppose that we spent billions of dollars and many
years to develop a reliable and workable BMD system and
succeeded. It would only encourage our enemies to manufacture
crude, low-tech alternative weapons.
The danger we face isn't from ICBMs. It's from somebody
with a nuke in a backpack or a phial of toxic bioagent. If a
rogue nation or terrorist group wanted to commit mass murder
in America, it wouldn't need an expensive and easily
detectable ICBM force. That would incur either a American
preemptive counterstrike or else a catastrophic retaliatory
attack. Launching a missile at the U.S. would be suicidal.
All that such an enemy would need is a small stockpile of
radioactive material and a few technically savvy ideologues to
assemble a low-yield but effective device. I believe
blueprints for such bombs are publicly available. How hard
would it be, then, to smuggle it into this country? All they'd
have to do is stick it in any of the thousands of bales of
marijuana or shipments of heroin that land on our shores every
year.
I think we'd be much wiser to spend our billions on
programs to promote peace and economic development in the hot
spots that breed terrorists. Solve the problem, not treat only
the symptoms. We'd also be better off spending it in getting
better field intelligence and in sharpening our interdiction
abilities.
I'd like to see lots more money be put into high-powered
laser and tracking R&D for the eventual development of
lightcraft technology. But antimissile-missiles and
space-based kinetic missile defenses are nothing more than
short-sighted and wasteful pork.
Even if they worked, they couldn't protect us from the real
threat.
mazza9
- 01:57pm Aug 10, 2002 EST (#3611
of 3615) "Quae cum ita sunt" Caesar's Gallic
Commentaries
WRCooper:
The Chinese and North Koreans are developing ICBMs. Now who
do you suppose they are targeting? Theater weapons that can
stop Katyuska attack missile, SCUDS etc are also necessary. If
directed energy weapons on an aircraft can be used for
tactical employment then we've just upgraded the bow and arrow
one more time.
Of course, I'd rather see the iodine laser used for meteor
destruction and alien (UFO!) assaults. If that is to occur
then the R&D money has to come from somewhere and in
today's climate that's the military not the NASA budget.
Mazzaroth son of Cthullu!
wrcooper
- 02:19pm Aug 10, 2002 EST (#3612
of 3615)
mazza9
8/10/02 1:57pm
We've been living with the threat of ICBMs for 50 years.
It's nothing new. China and North Korea aren't any more likely
to attack the U.S. than the ex-Soviet Union was. Probably less
so.
BMD has been sold as a defense against terrorists and rogue
nations--small-scale attacks, not massive strikes such as
China might launch.
My argument still stands. Let's pursue disarmament with the
big boys and handle the small fry with interdiction and
economic development.
lchic
- 03:09pm Aug 10, 2002 EST (#3613
of 3615)
Oppenheimer - Quotes - (Powers/Tremain p27-8)
"Everybody was moaning and wringing their hands"
Lis Alvarez, a physicist at Los Alamos
during the war, describing the dramatic change in atmosphere
after his return from Hiroshima. Elation at the achievement
had completely disappeared.
"Oppie says tht the atomic bomb is so terrible a weapon
that war is now impossible,"
Popular report at Los Alamos after
Hiroshima.
"If you ask, 'Can we make them more terrible?' the
answer is yes. If you ask: 'Can we make a lot of them?'
the answer is yes."
Oppenheimer to Time magazine, October
29, 1945.
"Mr. President, I have blood on my hands."
Oppenheimer to Truman in 1946.
"Don't you bring that fellow around again. After all, all
he did was make the bomb. I'm the guy who fired it off."
Truman to Dean Acheson after his meeting
with Oppenheimer.
"Some people profess guilt to claim credit for the sin"
The mathematician John von Neumann,
following Oppen heimer's well-publicized hand-wringing over
his role in developing atomic weapons.
On returing from Bikini [where atomic weapons were tested
in July 1946] one is amazed to find the profound change in the
public attitude toward the problem of the atomic bomb.
Before Bikini the world stood in aw of this new cosmic
weapon ... Since Bikini this feeling of awe has largely
evapourated.
William L. Laurence, a reporter for The
New York Times August 1946
In conjunction with other mass destruction weapons it is
possible to depopulate vast areas of the earth's surface,
leaving only vestige remnants of man's material works.
General Curtis LeMay in 1947, reporting on
the atomic bomb tests on Bikini the year before.
"I'll be damned if I'll let anybody in Washington or
any politiicans tell me what work not to do."
Norris Bradbury, Oppenheimer's successor at
Los Almos, on being told of pressures in Washington to block
work on the "super."
lchic
- 04:10pm Aug 10, 2002 EST (#3614
of 3615)
Economy UK|USA
http://www.guardian.co.uk/recession/story/0,7369,772294,00.html
concludes | As well as downbeat productivity figures for
the second quarter, the US released revisions for last year
which showed productivity fell for both the first and second
quarters as the US plunged into recession - not just the first
quarter, as previously thought.
lchic
- 04:32pm Aug 10, 2002 EST (#3615
of 3615)
If thinking on MD were cp to souces - ( http://library.uncwil.edu/is/infocycle.htm
) then first thoughts would be primary, second thoughts
secondary (that could be a contradiction) and last thoughts
tertiary (an overall reflection - looking back ... were back
the past - yet it could still be the future!)
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