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    Missile Defense

Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an application of science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable, necessary or impossible?

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lchic - 09:30am Aug 8, 2002 EST (#3567 of 3578)

Tony Blair has a ploy to bring permanent peace to Afghanistan. He wants to divert competing warlords from factional in-fighting after the fall of the Taliban - by getting them to support rival football teams. Football is now officially being promoted by Britain - in the afterglow of World Cup fever - as one of the best ways to help the reconstruction of one of the most battle scarred countries of the world.

To the puzzlement of George Bush - because the Americans don't quite understand the rest of the world's obsession with the beautiful game - the British PM has backed an initiative by the Football Association to help the Afghans set up their own league
http://www.guardian.co.uk/afghanistan/story/0,1284,770840,00.html

lchic posted way back that US should coach Afghans in ball games - rather than have them watching US play

lchic - 10:08am Aug 8, 2002 EST (#3568 of 3578)

Carlyle http://www.independent.co.uk/story.jsp?story=114163

rshow55 - 09:07pm Aug 8, 2002 EST (#3569 of 3578) Delete Message

Rethinking the Unthinkable The National Park Service is making a monument out of an old nuclear missile site. But how do you interpret history so recent it may not be over yet? by Bob Thompson Sunday, July 28, 2002; Page W12 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A59355-2002Jul24.html

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    Missile Defense Program Changes Course by Bradley Graham Page A06, Aug 5, 2002 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A43890-2002Aug4.html

    " This was to have been a big year for the Pentagon's new PAC-3 missile defense weapon, a forerunner of the nationwide anti-missile system that the Bush administration is pursuing. Flight tests from February through May were supposed to confirm that the missile interception system worked and result in a decision this fall to proceed with full production.

    " But the testing went awry. In several cases, interceptors failed to fire out of launchers. When they did, they missed nearly as often as they hit. Unable to certify that the PAC-3 interceptor was ready for stepped-up production, Pentagon officials have put off the decision for at least a year and plan instead on further testing once fixes are in place.

    This is a program trying to fix a missile system that we thought we had working in the LAST Gulf War. Some basic problems have NOT been solved.

    Defense against longer range ballistic missiles (especially with easy countermeasures) is MUCH harder - and engineers, working hard, and well funded, STILL can't get the Patriot system to work.

    rshow55 - 09:08pm Aug 8, 2002 EST (#3570 of 3578) Delete Message

    Shortcuts To Missile Defense By Mary McGrory Page A17, Aug 8, 2002 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A57401-2002Aug7.html

    "The Pentagon believes in Santa Claus.

    "Why shouldn't it? Every day is Christmas over there. Programs for health care, schools, playgrounds and day-care centers get killed, casualties of war, but at the Pentagon, economy is not a watchword; it is a wimpy, lefty kind of word used by people who don't want to invade Iraq or build the missile defense system, the commander in chief's dearest dream.

    "You think the Pentagon is spoiled? You are right. It is like a child in a custody fight in which estranged parents compete in giving extravagant presents to court their offspring. Republicans see in the military-industrial complex the only worthy recipients of government welfare. The Democrats dare not squawk because there's a war going on against terrorism and they are terrified of being found "weak on defense."

    "That is why the Defense Department makes arrangements that mere mortals think are profligate, as for instance the matter of waiving oversight and audits for missile defense contractors. Even one of the Pentagon's top officials, the recently retired deputy inspector general Robert Lieberman, thinks that the move to call off the watchdogs is not a good idea.

    ""Given the events of the last year in the country as a whole," Lieberman told John M. Donnelly, editor of Defense Week, "we should be worried about more effective auditing everywhere, not finding ways to exempt people from oversight."

    "Donnelly estimates that hundreds of millions of dollars over the next decade will go to contractors under the special "other transactions" provision and will be exempt from the usual oversight.

    rshow55 - 09:10pm Aug 8, 2002 EST (#3571 of 3578) Delete Message

    Nuclear weapons make mass murder easy - too easy. Though not entirely easy. You could know this too - especially if you'd seen the faces, and the rigidity of the missileers, of all ranks, in CNN's Special Report, REHEARSING DOOMSDAY ...which aired on October 15, 2000 http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2000/democracy/nuclear/stories/nukes/index.html

    The senior officers wanted nukes taken down . . . but through the magic of our "logical patterns" a different decision has been made.

    I thought there was something specially sensitive, and specially courageous, about Bob Kerrey, by political standards, when he wrote ARMED TO EXCESS ... http://www.nytimes.com/2001/03/02/opinion/02KERR.html

    We're making some CRAZY decisions, while the world watches and wonders.

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