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Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a
nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a
"Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed
considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense
initiatives more successful? Can such an application of
science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable,
necessary or impossible?
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rshow55
- 10:37am Aug 5, 2002 EST (#3509
of 3545)
Constructive post, Mazza. And I appreciate it.
Good idea for today, as well. I think lchic knows,
and knows very well, how many wonderful things there are about
the United States. I've felt that many of her postings have
served the national interest very well -- unless criticizing
"our team" is out of bounds. Not everybody thinks it should
be.
But we don't have to agree about everything - or even
everything important.
MD3349-3350 rshow55
7/30/02 6:28pm includes this:
"I'd like some security matters, awkward and
of long standing, to be resolved far enough so that I can
live my life. That means, if my work has no security
constraints associated with it that should be in
writing . Other issues can wait - but for me to
function, this one can't."
Maybe, following on some of your advice, and related
approaches, that problem can be resolved.
Maybe a lot of problems that have become associated with
this thread can be better resolved than they've been. Life
isn't perfect, and people aren't either. But things can and do
get better, often enough.
. . . . . .
Now, about Missile Defense - how are key things to be
established and checked? We've talked a good deal about that,
and maybe the approaches referenced in MD1075-76 rshow55
4/4/02 1:20pm . . that were unacceptable in the old
environment Greenberg speaks of might be more acceptable in
the new environment taking shape, where there's more concern
with checking? http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/05/opinion/05GREE.html
You've been on the other side from me in arguments about MD
- - can you tell me things, of a specific, technical nature,
where you think I've gotten it wrong?
bbbuck
- 12:39pm Aug 5, 2002 EST (#3510
of 3545) 'I don't like messing with drugs. Something
might go wrong'.....'Tell that blockhead to get aboard, he's
got enough wood in his head he could float'...
looniechic. Why did the little girl want her
grandmother's eye? I don't get it? Was she going to
save it before a missile blew them up?
mazza9
- 02:57pm Aug 5, 2002 EST (#3511
of 3545) "Quae cum ita sunt" Caesar's Gallic
Commentaries
Robert: A quick anecdotal observation. Then I'm off to a
job interview. I'll be back around 3:00PM CST. The emblem of
the Corp of Engineers is the Castle. Caesar's siege engines,
English castles and moats, Forts in colonial America, trails
blazed and all manner of weapons developed and neutralized is
the long history of warfare (albiet the opening of 2001 that
we spoke of is in all likelyhood true though undocumented
except in Kubrick's film). My first premise is that nothing is
impossible and all offense and defense can be overcome.
Maginot Line anyone?
All during the 50s intercontinental weapons were being
developed. Some,like the Snark didn't work. But eventually
Atlas, Polaris and the Long Tom Cannon became nuclear delivery
systems for the Air Force Navy and Army. But those engineers
with their castles keep on working and defense checks offense
and then offense checks defense. It is meaningless to attack
the issue from this persepctive. We need to evolve beyond the
need for warfare. To settle problems or achieve ends of a
personal nature we need to solve the global issues which
divide rather than unite us a sentitent being on the "Third
Rock From the Sun". Who's the greater threat to mankind, Bill
Gates or Saddam Hussein?
War Begets Poverty Poverty Peace
Then People will Traffic and riches increase.
Riches produceth pride Pride is war's ground.
War beget poverty So we go round.
What a loon. I was rushing and posted this over on the
Space Exploration forum. Got home early and oops
LouMazza
lchic
- 04:27pm Aug 5, 2002 EST (#3512
of 3545)
UK economy falls http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/story/0,3604,769579,00.html
lchic
- 05:02pm Aug 5, 2002 EST (#3513
of 3545)
On the girl - eye, the Korean Girl of the Korean War had
her eye blown out by a USA bomb, the eye was hanging down her
face. She asked her (injured) mother to remove it. The mother,
injured, couldn't and had to tell her beloved young child to
remove her own eye.
Poster - I don't 'bash' the USA ... most often I present a
spectrum of viewpoints - thanks for your interest.
mazza9
- 07:45pm Aug 5, 2002 EST (#3514
of 3545) "Quae cum ita sunt" Caesar's Gallic
Commentaries
Why don't you find something interesting to say about the
Soviet weaponry that caused the same mayhem during the Cold
War. How about the civilians in the airliner that was brought
down by an East German fighter aircraft that was "buzzing" it
in what was designated as a civilian passageway to Berlin? All
those people were killed because of the Soviet Unions desire
to "take control of" West Berlin. Remember the Berlin Airlift
of '47 when the United States and NATO kept food, coal and
other supplies flowing to West Berlin when the East Germans
blockaded the ground routes to West Berlin in contravention of
the existing treaty.
I'm not bashing either. Just reminding you that behaviors
on both sides were less than polite and "PEOPLE DIED!" You go
beyond the childishness and try to establish lines of
communications and progress can be made. Stick you finger in
your opponents eye and it is very unlikely that he will SEE
your point.
LouMazza
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