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 [F] New York Times on the Web Forums  / Science  /

    Missile Defense

Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an application of science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable, necessary or impossible?

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lchic - 02:59pm Aug 1, 2002 EST (#3392 of 3420)

An LSE voice was heard to comment on the military arming of countries such as Indonesia and The Philipines - suggesting that fundamental islam might arise and use those weapons 'against' the USA.

The failure in these nations is that of not having widespread democracy.

The 'logic' of Indonesia is seen via East Timor, Western New Guinea, and the putting down of people in culturally different islands.

The 'logic' is a logic of plunder and greed of natural resources by 'central' government / military factions.

There was a question as to why the USA had 'withdrawn' from Asia over the past two decades - was this policy failure a factor coming home to roost!

lchic - 03:03pm Aug 1, 2002 EST (#3393 of 3420)

Arming the world - how much would those close to the President ... with links to the arms industry [father-bush's conflict of interest for example] ... how much would these guys make from contracts and commissions.

Looking at these already rich .... how much money do they aim to put in their back pockets .... if these guys had their wealth - in gold - shackled to their ankles .... how many would have the strength to cross a room to reach a life saving glass of water ? Picture that!

rshow55 - 03:06pm Aug 1, 2002 EST (#3394 of 3420) Delete Message

mazza9 8/1/02 2:51pm

Johnson, this is serious - and if you're representing the NYT in your last posting - the NYT should be ashamed. But I don't think that's true. I don't think the NYT does business just that way. YOU should be ashamed.

My "ongoing saga" connects to a great deal. And this thread has accomplished a lot, some set out in MD 1999 rshow55 5/4/02 10:39am . No thanks to you.

If I'm right that gisterme is Condoleezza Rice , the thread may be particularly interesting. Somebody posting as gisterme has done a lot of impressive posting indicating some significant connections.

If those connections are as high as gisterme indicates . . . I matter.

lchic - 03:11pm Aug 1, 2002 EST (#3395 of 3420)

Perhaps a parable could be devised to illustrate greed

http://www.nt.armstrong.edu/terms.htm
Watchmaker parable - complexity
http://www.geocities.com/~n4bz/law/lulaw2.htm
A parable is a fictional short story intended to communicate some truth
http://www.xenos.org/classes/papers/ancscrip.htm

rshow55 - 05:40pm Aug 1, 2002 EST (#3396 of 3420) Delete Message

In the hour after I posted rshow55 8/1/02 1:53pm almarst2002 deleted 17 postings that had been made since MD2533 almarst2002 6/14/02 10:13pm . Perhaps this was done as a gesture of sympathy to Dirac , kalter.rauch , and Mazza . I'd been interested in a number of the posts that were deleted. Was glad to see them, and sorry to see them go.

mazza9 - 05:54pm Aug 1, 2002 EST (#3397 of 3420)
"Quae cum ita sunt" Caesar's Gallic Commentaries

Gracias senor! Danke shon!

lchic - 07:34pm Aug 1, 2002 EST (#3398 of 3420)

Quae cum ita sint

http://omega.cohums.ohio-state.edu/:8080/hyper-lists/classics-l/listserve_archives/log94/9404d/9404d.189.html

"" I recall having read a humorous version of Caesar's Gallic Wars a great number of years ago. Every other paragraph began with "These things being thus this way..." Ernie Moncada

lchic - 08:15pm Aug 1, 2002 EST (#3399 of 3420)

Tony Blair doesn't want to hit Iraq ...
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=320659
http://www.independent.co.uk/ 2Aug2002

mazza9 - 08:21pm Aug 1, 2002 EST (#3400 of 3420)
"Quae cum ita sunt" Caesar's Gallic Commentaries

Mrs Gormley my Latin teacher translated it, "Since these thing are so" Same genral meaning. Indeed, she always felt that Caesar was a bit pedantic in his overuse of this particular phrase.

lchic - 08:27pm Aug 1, 2002 EST (#3401 of 3420)

Living standards Palestine

http://www.google.com/search?num=20&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&newwindow=1&q=living+standard+palestine&btnG=Google+Search

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