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 [F] New York Times on the Web Forums  / Science  /

    Missile Defense

Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an application of science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable, necessary or impossible?

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rshow55 - 10:34pm Jul 28, 2002 EST (#3328 of 3336) Delete Message

MD3282-86 rshowalt 7/25/02 8:13pm is well worth considering.

We have problems to fix. There are fewer postings from wrcooper than there were recently.

I'm for accountability. But I'll be doing my accounting in the morning.

We need to find ways to "connect the dots" so that we can deal with key facts, that ought to have morally forcing circumstances. The technical means are at hand - or only a small effort input away. The stakes are very high - for reasons Krugman has pointed out before, that he points out again in The Private Interest By PAUL KRUGMAN http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/26/opinion/26KRUG.html .

We need to do better than we have done at

" the collection, connection, and correction of the dots"

We can. For a long time, the Bush administration has intimidated so many so thoroughly that this hasn't been doable. But it is becoming so.

Some "unwritten rules" of journalism need to be rethought. Sometimes "old news" and "new news" need to be combined - and checked.

lchic - 11:02pm Jul 28, 2002 EST (#3329 of 3336)

http://www.publiceye.org/main.htm

Were those 'people' who Cooper says don't read the board - reading it?

Maybe Cooper pulled the post where he said he worked within RCN in Chicago - before later admitting he uses RCN services only! What a Whopper!

rshow55 - 11:14pm Jul 28, 2002 EST (#3330 of 3336) Delete Message

SECULAR REDEMPTION http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?14@155.X0apa6zDeDc.0@.ee79f4e/1345

MD2599 lchic 6/17/02 1:46pm

lchic - 11:20pm Jul 28, 2002 EST (#3331 of 3336)

The Bush musketeers haven't hit the headlines for a while - is it recess?

rshow55 - 11:40pm Jul 28, 2002 EST (#3332 of 3336) Delete Message

Maybe they're thinking.

MD3183 rshowalt 7/20/02 8:25pm

And ESPECIALLY - with respect to issues of "paradigm conflict" and "connecting the dots" Our Fathers of Old http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?13@@.ee79f4e/241

People's heads get full of "explanations" -- and have since history began... Those explanations can be totally wrong. Often have been. Yet ornate and convincing to the people who held them. And, often enough, held them with grisly results.

We have to learn to check the checkable. Because some patterns are much better than others.

MD2638 rshow55 6/20/02 12:56pm

MD115 rshow55 3/2/02 6:33pm

There have been times in the past where the truth has been "somehow, too weak."

Here is a piece on one of the most wrenching of those times -- when there was failure to communicate the Holocaust (part of a larger failure to stop Hitler.)

TURNING AWAY FROM THE HOLOCAUST by Max Frankel .. http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/14/specials/onefifty/20FRAN.html

On nukes, a similar failure could end the world. I've been afraid that the risks of that have been, and remain, great. We need to do better. Lest the world end. I think we can.

MD116 rshow55 3/2/02 6:34pm includes this:

"Here are some references, to the Riley-Showalter paradigm thread, Paradigm Shift .... whose getting there? . . . that I think describe, in a new and clearer way, how paradigm conflict works.

Before we worked this out, though I spent a lot of time writing and lobbying on NYT boards, I had no way to "come in" according to Casey's instructions. I didn't know enough.

After I was touched and guided by lchic's brilliance, patience, and grace, I finally felt that I did know enough. And so, in September 2000, I tried to "come in" -- and have been trying ever since.

out for tonight.

kalter.rauch - 06:02am Jul 29, 2002 EST (#3333 of 3336)
Earth vs <^> <^> <^>

rshow55 7/28/02 11:40pm

Speaking of lchic, how can you be "touched and guided by lchic's brilliance, patience, and grace..."??? All she's doing is inputing leftwing paranoia into Google and posting the most inflammatory links. She certainly isn't graceful...she has the insolence to refer to other posters as "monikers"...even after I gave her a leading part in a short story installment I'm featuring in the Space Exploration Forum. What kind of gratitude is THAT?!?!?

One more thing......does rshow55=rshowalt ???

kalter.rauch - 06:04am Jul 29, 2002 EST (#3334 of 3336)
Earth vs <^> <^> <^>

I suspect lchic=lunarchick......

Yes...YESSS!!! A search reveals very similar material from such an entity...THIS YEAR!!! Hmmmmmm......?!?!? Velly intellestink......

lchic - 07:17am Jul 29, 2002 EST (#3335 of 3336)

Recent incidences of plane accidents relate not to 'bad luck' ... rather ERROR and poor planning.

Showing a reason to keep apace with training within a quality management framework.

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