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Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a
nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a
"Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed
considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense
initiatives more successful? Can such an application of
science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable,
necessary or impossible?
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rshow55
- 08:39am Jul 17, 2002 EST (#3106
of 3339)
People joke about things they are conflicted about -
worried about -- repressed about. Our culture has joked a lot
about the Nazis - and had a lot of guilty fascination with the
Nazis. I was assigned to look, carefully, at how the Nazis
built a command society that maintained many of the trappings
of a western, liberal society - - it was a matter that
fascinated and concerned Bill Casey, who cared for a
free society, and wanted to preserve whatever he could about
it during the Cold War -- and restore liberal society after
the cold war.
Recent interchanges, in which Mazza-Cooper-Johnson took a
shot at character assasination - and then retreated when their
bluff was called -- used the sort of tactics Goebels and his
people used with facility -- tactics that the right wing of
the Republican party uses, too.
Our society's fascination with the Nazis, and Hitler, is no
accident, and no "joke." The connection between the Nazis, the
right wing of the Republican Party, and the Bush family goes
way back. We have plenty of reason to worry.
I've been concerned about words on this thread. I was an
"early adopter" of the word " enronation" ; this thread
had some discussion and focusing of the phrase "connect the
dots" that may have been influential, and changed American
psychology and language in a small, measurable, but clear way
(I'm involved with the beginning of a statistical study of
this that is so far promising.)
I'm of southern background, and my momma told me that she
was fourteen years old before she learned that
"damnedyankee" was two words.
I believe, based on a lot of information, that the
country would be safer, cleaner, better run - and more
honorable, if the phrases "Nazi-Bush" and "the
Nazi-Bushes" entered the American language. In my view,
they'd be fair usages, indeed.
Swastikas for Sweeps By MAUREEN DOWD http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/17/opinion/17DOWD.html
MD3030-3033 rshow55
7/13/02 12:15pm .... especially MD3033 lchic
7/13/02 12:27pm
Tactics that concern us in the relatively open environment
of audited corporations are much easier within the
military-industrial complex.
In Virginia, Young Conservatives Learn How to Develop
and Use Their Political Voices by Blaine Harden http://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/11/politics/11CONS.html
merits careful, thoughtful, concerned reading.
How did the right wing of the Republican party come
to be so well funded, anyway?
It is surprising how many people, who became suddenly rich
in not-very-traceable ways, are fiercely loyal to the far
right wing - and "surprising" how carefully an infrastructure
of think tanks and subsidized journalists has been built, over
half a century - according to patterns that Goebels would have
approved of.
I'm glad people at the TIMES are looking at Texas oil land.
Oil land is an interesting thing to investigate, in my view.
mazza9
- 12:03pm Jul 17, 2002 EST (#3107
of 3339) "Quae cum ita sunt" Caesar's Gallic
Commentaries
Well I'm of southern background as well. We were farmers
outside of Palermo before comin' to the USofA. Maybe what you
need is a good, "Baddabing!"
You don't know me and yet dare to call me a Nazi! Oh well,
probably another epileptic fit!
Say lchic, I'm confused. I thought that leftist commie
pinkos were anti religion since it was tool for shackling the
masses. What's this "Chrismas in July"? Happy Bastille Day.
Oh, BTW weren't NAZIs National SOCIALISTS?
LouMazza
rshow55
- 01:29pm Jul 17, 2002 EST (#3108
of 3339)
MD1331 rshow55
4/13/02 8:11am ... MD1332 rshow55
4/13/02 9:42am
Mazza, so often, you act the part.
On issues of substance, directly connected to Missile
Defense -- there's been no significant dispute of the
technical points - much discussed on this thread, set out in
MD84 rshow55
3/2/02 11:52am and in many other cites.
Mazza, given my circumstance, it is rational and
responsible for me to post a lot. Sometimes, I think it
may even be having an effect. Though perhaps an indirect one.
I think it would be important to look carefully at how
close the right wing of the Republican party, and the Bush
family, have been to the Nazis - and how tolerant and
supportive of Nazi patterns CIA has been - especially when
Bushes have been influential
MD2964 rshow55
7/10/02 7:19am ... MD2965 rshow55
7/10/02 7:21am
Debuting: One Spy, Unshaken By GEORGE F. CUSTEN http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/23/weekinreview/23CUST.html
" If Putin, and some other responsible
leaders would ask for me to be decently debriefed and used,
it might do some good. . . . . (more)
" Playing Know and Tell" by John Schwartz http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/09/weekinreview/09BOXA.html
ends with this:
" Listen. "
People ought to think hard about how much the Bush
administration resembles the Nazis in the movie
Casablanca .
There are things we ought to fix.
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