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Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a
nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a
"Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed
considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense
initiatives more successful? Can such an application of
science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable,
necessary or impossible?
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cantabb
- 02:38pm Nov 13, 2003 EST (#
17556 of 17564)
rshow55 - 01:30pm Nov 13, 2003 EST (# 17539 of
17546)
Whining continues. Rant continues. Expect more as the
time nears... Trying to "leave gracefully" ? "Happy" to leave
?
I have to be able to satisfy people who know
as much about security laws and usages - and how the world
really works - as Bill Casey did.
That’s your own obsession with Casey. No confirmation of
anything you say-- YET.
I'm asking for that piece of paper for very
good reasons - and if the NYT doesn't understand the reasons
- it is missing a great deal that it should know. As a
citizen. And for its own business reasons.
You’ve given no legitimate reason, so far as I can
tell. Am sorry to see you reducing yourself to whining and
groveling – NOT a pretty sight for one looking for “leaving
gracefully” or "happy" to leave ! YOU don’t WANT it over !
You’re still pleading; still groveling…
lchic - 01:31pm Nov 13, 2003 EST (# 17540 of 17546)
Shaw was for morally forcing truth - via the paradigm shift
of gut swell of public opinion
I love GBS too, but any relevance here ?
rshow55 - 01:31pm Nov 13, 2003 EST (# 17541 of
17546)
What I'm asking for shouldn't restrict the
New York Times from anything valid it does - either "on the
record" or "off the record."
STOP whining here.
Why can't you tell ALL this directly to NYT ? NO body has
anything to do with NYT or your problem with it. And, no body
seems interested in representing problems you STILL have not
defined.
rshow55 - 01:47pm Nov 13, 2003 EST (# 17542 of
17547)
Here are things that NYT people should know
well - well enough to make good decisions about.
That makes it necessary for people to care
about (and know) what is being said about them - for
straight economic reasons.
ONCE AGAIN, Why can't you tell this directly to NYT
mamagement/publisher or whosoever you can gert hold ogf there
?
rshow55 - 01:49pm Nov 13, 2003 EST (# 17543 of
17547)
To be an economic actor I have to care what
people think about me. And of course I'm responsible for
what I've said and done. If I'm criticised - I need to know
it so I can deal with what's involved. If people can talk
about someone - and that person doesn't know it - on a
routine basis - they can totally immobilize him - and
destroy his ability to function. Casey was very clear about
that. When he had to kill the Oppenheimer offering for AEA,
he knew just how to do it - and so did I. If the Times
doesn't know how these things matter - they aren't doing
their job nearly as well as they could.
That's YOUR unquestioning devotion to Casey. Most peoiple
don't feel that indentured. Not relevant here.
rshow55 - 01:51pm Nov 13, 2003 EST (# 17544 of
17547)
They are doing unnecessary damage - being
less influential than they could be - and missing chances to
make money honorably - and to police dishonorable conduct
from others.
No use ranting here ! Why can't you write to/call
NYT ?
rshow55 - 01:53pm Nov 13, 2003 EST (# 17545 of
17547)
I have not asked for a whitewash. I've asked
for a situation where the things that the NYT tells others
about me - they also tell me.
For instance, if I'm trying to raise money
for any deal I'm involved in - a private detective probably
should run down leads on this Missile Defense board. He
needs interfacing rules. And the rule I need - and he needs
- is one that permits consistency. That means people know
what people are saying - people are "reading off the same
page."
Do whatever you feel necessary. Any body stopping you ?
rshow55 - 01:56pm Nov 13, 2003 EST (# 17546 of
17547)
For putting complex deals together that can
be stable this is crucial. People should be much more clear
about this. Especially at the New York Times. And certainly
a case where they should be sensitive
cantabb
- 02:39pm Nov 13, 2003 EST (#
17557 of 17564)
rshow55 - 01:56pm Nov 13, 2003 EST (# 17546 of
17547)
For putting complex deals together that can
be stable this is crucial. People should be much more clear
about this. Especially at the New York Times. And certainly
a case where they should be sensitive is when they are using
"coded monikers" where everyone in a defined group knows who
is who - and outsiders don't.
Why can’t you tell all this to them, directly !
rshow55 - 01:57pm Nov 13, 2003 EST (# 17547 of
17547)
The New York Times - perhaps more than any
other organization in the secular society - is expected to
be responsible about what it says and implies.
Tell them that too.
rshow55 - 02:09pm Nov 13, 2003 EST (# 17550 of
17551)
cantabb , if you're affiliated with the New
York Times - you're putting both yourself and your
organization at risk. This is something I have to fight
about - and there will be a whole lot of people on my side -
not only in this country, but internationally.
MORE threats from you ?????
rshow55 - 02:10pm Nov 13, 2003 EST (# 17551 of
17551)
This work has some problems with structure -
though it has some advantages. It would work just fine as
pretrial discovery .
Try that, OK ?
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