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Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a
nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a
"Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed
considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense
initiatives more successful? Can such an application of
science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable,
necessary or impossible?
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cantabb
- 05:17pm Nov 6, 2003 EST (#
16673 of 16678)
rshow55 - 04:50pm Nov 6, 2003 EST (# 16669 of 16669)
And with no choice but to do so.
You mean "leaving gracefully"?
People who are held down fight back. And for
very good and unchangeable reasons.
Who's holding you "down" ? You've NOT identified anyone or
any agency yet, despite numerous reminders. Hard now to take
you seriously -- credibility problem !
Even if you were, one would expected that with your close
affiliation with IKE and Casey and CIA, and the high opinion
they had of you -- enough to entrust you with national
security matters no one else handle -- you'd have shattered
the restrictions on you and trampled on those wqho were trying
to keep you down.
" All the news that's fit to print." If you
guys are making that decision - and a test of your judgement
is your postings on this thread - there need to be some
changes.
Your inner demons driving you. You don't seem to be in any
position to demand or expect any "changes" in NYT's or any
other posters' stance.
jorian319
- 05:18pm Nov 6, 2003 EST (#
16674 of 16678)
Other people might make different judgements
than yours
I try to keep an open mind, so praytell - what other
conclusions are even possible, let alone likely?
rshow55
- 05:27pm Nov 6, 2003 EST (#
16675 of 16678) Can we do a better job of finding
truth? YES. Click "rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have
done and worked for on this thread.
Jorian , you're saying it isn't possible - isn't
reasonable, to think that you work for The New York Times?
That is isn't reasonable, or even possible, that
bluestar23 and cantabb work for The New York
Times?
We're at a point where, to keep the old "culture of lying"
together, it has to be possible to say
. NO FAIR connecting those dots in
interconnected ways - and keeping at it enough for focus !
The nature of that fight - which is an essential fight in
our time - is getting clearer. The fight is being clarified,
and fought, on this thread.
It is a fight worth fighting - and involves issues that
don't depend on whether you "call me Ishmael" or not.
jorian319
- 05:40pm Nov 6, 2003 EST (#
16676 of 16678)
"...what other conclusions are even possible, let alone
likely? "
you're saying it isn't possible - isn't
reasonable, to think that you work for The New York Times?
Search your soul, Robert. Ask yourself, honestly - is that
what I'm saying?
Hopefully, your mind will return the correct answer: "NO
that's NOT what jorian319 was saying. He was saying that
"guessing that cantabb and/or Bluestar are affiliated with NYT
strikes him as specious, unreasonable and irresponsible.
...and...
Either
Robert has access to information regarding these posters
that is not available by reading their posts, or
He is an astounding intellect, capable of accurate
inference beyond anything I've ever seen, and is uniquely
capable of disguising that fact, or
Such guesses are in fact specious, unreasonable and
irresponsible.
... and asking you to list the other possibilities you
allude to, saying "Other people might make different
judgements than yours".
So? What are they?
rshow55
- 05:44pm Nov 6, 2003 EST (#
16677 of 16678) Can we do a better job of finding
truth? YES. Click "rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have
done and worked for on this thread.
15976 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@13.Y8RtbMwOVVm.1844348@.f28e622/17691
( October 30 ) includes this.
I wrote "the big boss" a not-too-long letter
- sent it Sunday. He read it, and had his secretary call me
and say so, which I appreciated. He routed it in an entirely
reasonable way - got a useful letter from a senior line guy
- (and the right guy, on the org chart, to talk to me) -
have a couple of calls in to him - not yet returned...
and this:
I am not asking the NYT to vouch for
anything they don't reasonably know - and I'm looking for
ways I can meet my needs without stepping on NYT needs. To
get that worked through - there would have to be some
talking. With people able to see each other's responses -
and zero in on comfortable solutions.
Cantabb's 15982 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@13.Y8RtbMwOVVm.1844348@.f28e622/17697
sure is solicitous of NYT interests - if cantabb's
unconnected with the NYT.
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