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Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a
nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a
"Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed
considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense
initiatives more successful? Can such an application of
science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable,
necessary or impossible?
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wrcooper
- 06:23pm Oct 25, 2003 EST (#
15637 of 15643)
In re: http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@13.naRUb4h9Siy.4830802@.f28e622/17333
[D]ummy weapons, and particularly the fine
art of camouflage, have been around for eons in
warfare....of course one sets up inflatable tanks, dummy
heat sources, fake airstrips, empty tents by the
hundred...as prior to D-Day....
Precisely. Look at the Union of Concerned Scientists
analysis of possible countermeasures to the Bush NMD system.
http://www.ucsusa.org/global_security/missile_defense/page.cfm?pageID=581
If you're interested, they've produced a 175-pg study that
examines the issue in great detail. You'll find the link at
their site.
[Y]ou seem to think it is good and necessary
that exact figures of dollar amounts be published
continually to satisfy your apparent desire to have complete
financial information about the USA development of the MD.
That's not what I said. What I would like to see is an
answer to the criticisms of the system on the basis of its
vulnerability to countermeasures. A simple way to answer the
critics would be to conduct a realistic test, as I have stated
previously. If aspects of the system must remain classified,
then at least demonstrate that the system works before
building it. No other military system gets deployed before it
has been tested thoroughly. Why should the NMD get special
dispensation. Worse, it has failed a number of tests. When so
much better measures are available to take to insure out
safety and security, why spend billions on the least
dependable one?
I am saying, firstly, that you have no right
to know such things, and that to even publish them is a
direct threat to National Security.
I have no right to classified information. But elected
representatives do. Some of them, such as Joseph Biden (D-Del)
on the Intelligence Committee, are complaining about the same
issues I am. If they knew that the system worked, they'd be
quiet about it and not publicly raising questions.
Furthermore, you don't seem to realize that
if information is publicly given out, it too should perhaps
be part of "strategic deception"...and nothing more...
So your conclusion is, Trust everything our government
tells us! Is that it? How do you propose that we citizens can
judge whether our government is working in our best interests
and not those of well-connected and powerful interests in the
defense establishment? Missile defense is a sacred cow of
Reaganite Republicans, many of whom have deep insider
connections with the corporations involved in building the NMD
system. It wouldn't be the first time that the government has
backed bad ideas because of pork barrel politicking.
bluestar23
- 06:55pm Oct 25, 2003 EST (#
15638 of 15643)
rshow55:
"Bluestar , my first guesses were that Jorian did indeed
have some connection with the NYT - but he's said he doesn't -
and there are some good reasons to respect that - though
social deception is not unknown."
Jorian is not telling the truth about his involvement with
the New York Times....you've hit the nail on the head here,
Showalter....
bluestar23
- 06:58pm Oct 25, 2003 EST (#
15639 of 15643)
"Missile defense is a sacred cow of Reaganite Republicans,
many of whom have deep insider connections with the
corporations involved in building the NMD system."
Well, this sounds like the party-line of the more paranoid
Democrats...everything in life turns out to be a conspiracy of
Conservatives, but we can't tell you any details, just that
"we" "know" that they're all in it together...sounds a lot
like Showalter's " connecting the dots"....
bluestar23
- 07:01pm Oct 25, 2003 EST (#
15640 of 15643)
WRC:
"Union of Concerned Scientists.."
Like "Bulletin of Atomic Scientists" ...eh..? I know well,
as you should, that your sources are not objective in their
criticism....
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