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Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a
nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a
"Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed
considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense
initiatives more successful? Can such an application of
science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable,
necessary or impossible?
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rshow55
- 09:42am Oct 21, 2003 EST (#
15344 of 15346) Can we do a better job of finding
truth? YES. Click "rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have
done and worked for on this thread.
Somebody might be interested in a Cast of Characters
for this thread http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@13.VsacbHF1QsQ.3833007@.f28e622/14978
I heard somewhere that the truth can sometimes converge.
Even "oscillitory sequences" can focus.
( Note I didn't say "oscillatory solutions." )
Some married couples fight all the time - about everything
- - it goes round and round.
In some ways they get clearer about how they hate
each other (and the hatred may be diluted with some grudging
reservations)
Or they may get clearer about how much they love
each other ( again, with reservations. )
We do need to learn to do some things
differently - using old ways that work - and maybe even find
ways to make them better.
For stability in interaction of people and groups -
we have to learn to do that better.
Right answers that are right "every reasonable way you
look at them" can often converge - and such answers are
precious - and worth working for. And the ways that they occur
are forseeable - just as patterns of divergence are
forseeable.
But to be "right" for some purposes, you have to be "wrong"
for others - and it helps to consider both the purposes and
the posters. http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@13.VsacbHF1QsQ.3833007@.f28e622/14978
lchic
- 09:56am Oct 21, 2003 EST (#
15345 of 15346) ultimately TRUTH outs : TRUTH has
to be morally forcing : build on TRUTH it's a strong
foundation
Expert Systems
rshow55
- 09:57am Oct 21, 2003 EST (#
15346 of 15346) Can we do a better job of finding
truth? YES. Click "rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have
done and worked for on this thread.
Lchic and I have been working on a number of issues
connected to the idea of getting "canonicity" - as that word
is used technically, by "connecting the dots" ( every
which way ) and keeping at it.:
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canonical equations - are transforms from
one perspective, in one set of variables - to a fully
consistent other perspective, in related but different
variables. One where you can jump back and forth, and
keep track of the information that is perserved, and the
information that is lost.
7879 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@13.VsacbHF1QsQ.3833007@.f28e622/9404
The notion of canonicity is important - and
a notion that I'm trying to elaborate and focus. We need
order, symmetry, harmony - in necessary conventional orders
- and mixed up orders, and every which way - in ways that
fit the real aesthetic needs of the decent people involved.
Impossible? Certainly, in a sense. But we can do much better
than we've done.
This board goes some way toward showing how
The questions of "who is the bad guy" and "who is
the good guy" don't have to be preserved from
perspective to perspective - to get clarity, stability, and
good answers on many things that mattter.
I'm trying to show how to do a fair negotiation from all
the perspectives that matter - in the presence of mutual
threat and mixed motives - between me and the New York Times.
Without asking that the question of "who is the good guy" be a
subject of agreement. Problem is, I'm trying to do it while
fencing on this board - - and I can be very much weakened by
laughing.
Still, progress, it seems to me, gets made.
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