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Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a
nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a
"Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed
considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense
initiatives more successful? Can such an application of
science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable,
necessary or impossible?
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gisterme
- 03:18pm Oct 18, 2003 EST (#
15219 of 15226)
Will -
"...If there is something to do about it, then the
system’s designers should release at least the general outline
of their capability..."
Why??? Why release anything about what the defense
system's capabilities are, especially about details of the
actual engagement strategy? Those are things an adversary
might be able to do something about if he knew anything
at all. For example, if he knew we could defeat
balloons he might try something else. Maybe that's one reason
why the "decoys" used so far in flight tests haven't seemed
too realistic. I have no doubt that the decoys used so far
have been plenty good enough to accomplish the goals of the
particular test shot. Test programs are complex incremental
procedures. Just because they're not doing a particular thing
right now doesn't mean that it isn't on the schedule or won't
be done...or needs to be done.
That the NMD program is going ahead at an accelerated rate
is a good enough indicator for me that there are no "show
stoppers". That's why it doesn't surprise me at all that
there's been no public discussion about "anti-countermeasures"
capabilities. That the designers say "we can discreminate the
target from the decoys" is enough for me. Let the adversary
dope out what he wants to do about that.
"...They haven’t..."
I think that's a wise move on "thier" part. Just as an
adversary would want to have his countermeasures
unknown to us, wouldn't we want our
anti-countermeasures abilities unknown to him? I surely
would.
"... Very knowledgeable and smart people who study these
problems would no doubt have some clue how the countermeasures
problem might theoretically be solved..."
No doubt. They might also know how it's being solved right
now. I'm afraid that we can only speculate about that
unknown.
"...However, nobody has..."
Has what? Solved some particular problem? How would
we know if they're not telling? :-)
"...We know what the types of radars are that will be
used...
X-band radar. Here's something about that.
http://www.fas.org/spp/starwars/program/gbr.htm
Here's an example of some X-band radar images of the earth
taken from space:
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/radar/sircxsar/
The point is that the synthetic aperture radars we're
talking about here are not the sort of thing one would
think of as an image from Doctor Stragelove.
"...and the infrared detectors in orbit, what their
capabilities are. They’re not adequate to the job, so the
experts say..."
Not experts who have their hands on the sensors that are
actually being used. Otherwise the program wouldn't be going
ahead.
Why do you say we know what the capabilities of the IR
sensors are? Do you have a link?
What other types of sensors might be on board other than
IR? Unknown? Good.
gisterme
- 03:22pm Oct 18, 2003 EST (#
15220 of 15226)
"...No, I haven’t forgotten that. That’s why I linked
the article from the Journal of International Security
Affairs, which discussed ABM diplomacy and strategic power
bargaining..."
You haven't. Thanks for linking that.
fredmoore
- 05:25pm Oct 18, 2003 EST (#
15221 of 15226)
Will,
wrcooper - 01:53pm Oct 18, 2003 EST (# 15215 of 15220)
'They could even launch them in test flights to determine
how they stand up to the forces of launch and deploy
automatically in space, etc'
If a potential attacker performs such tests then the US
could easily characterise that materiel for future deletion.
So, I don't think attackers would be keen to test decoy
systems outside of a supercomputer simulation.
Also, there are significant problems in developing
countermeasures. I would much rather be a defender working on
(HPCS) high prf coherent source (x-ray frequency and beyond)
detection methods at the best universities and defence labs in
the world than an attacker working on dumb countermeasures
borrowed from 80's Soviet technology. The US detection
capability may not be up to scratch as we post but from my
limited knowledge of coherent source techniques, I can see the
possibility of ultimately ruling out realistically fielded
decoy countermeasures
IMHO an MD defence shield will eventually be possible
depending on advancements in HPCS techniques but it leaves
open two issues which have been mentioned already but which
are worth rehashing:
1. You cannot defend 5% of the world's population from the
other 95% if unsustainable 'humanitarian ideologies' (eg
'Gattica') are in force and there is open revolt, no matter
how exacting your technology.
2. If all nations can plot the course of human affairs as
accurately as they can plot the tracks of ICBM's then it will
be apparent that the least resistance trajectory has depended
on and will continue to depend on the distribution of world
energy resources. The conclusion could be reached
scientifically that it would be far cheaper and more
beneficial for all nations to invest in a KAEP style world
energy plan than continue to invest in adversarial technology
with the ambition of being the last one standing after a MAD
confrontation.
Now I think that even if a KAEP style plan could be agreed
upon, there is enough current instability in the world
socio-economic fabric to warrant a continuation of MD shield
R&D. Provided The US could show no intent to harm other
nations with this posture, such continued R&D could
actually be beneficial in an emerging more unified world
political structure.
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