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Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a
nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a
"Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed
considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense
initiatives more successful? Can such an application of
science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable,
necessary or impossible?
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wrcooper
- 11:26am Oct 15, 2003 EST (#
15094 of 15116)
CONCLUDED
Once the "scarecrow" defense is shown to
work then I guess it becomes something else.
It is unwise to base national security on hopes and wishes
and unfounded promises. If an empirical assessment of a
technological system shows that it does not work and is not
likely to work given certain fundamental facts, and doesn’t
even address real threats, we shouldn’t spend billions of
dollars on it
Once again, we learn from our mistakes. This
is nothing new.
You’re ignoring the fact that Bush is rushing to deploy
this unproven system. Are you supporting the decision
to implement this system when tests show it not to be field
ready? Why?
wrcooper
- 11:26am Oct 15, 2003 EST (#
15095 of 15116)
In re: <a
href="/webin/WebX?14@13.Kzuwb9S5Ovm.2707866@.f28e622/16775">gisterme
10/15/03 7:21am</a>
gisterme:
I think the crows and the rabbits and deer
are separate threats.
The threat is that a nuclear weapon will be delivered to
our homeland, causing death and destruction. It’s the same
threat whether or not it’s delivered by an ICBM, a container
ship, a backpack or a burro.
Once again I'll ask: if you're worried about
burgelars, why bar the doors and leave the windows open?
That’s another fallacy, I’m afraid. Arguing against the NMD
program is not advocacy of leaving our nation undefended. The
NMD program is not the way to defend against the threat, as it
currently stands and will continue to stand for the
foreseeable future.
Agreed about the first part of the
statement...but how will we know when the "actual" threat
comes into existance?
Better intelligence gathering. Are we so sure that NMD will
work? An interdiction force, armed and ready to step in to
knock out North Korean missiles on the ground during a time of
mounting tension, is more likely to stop an attack than a
hypersonic bullet easily fooled by countermeasures. Radiation
monitoring of incoming ships and airplanes, better controls
over fissile materials available on the world market,
cooperation with Russia to help them keep their aging arsenal
under tight control, etc., are the ways to handle the threat.
Are we so sure we could do anything about it
if it did?...and if we tried and didn't succeed??? Then
what?
These same questions apply to the NMD program. Based on
what we know now, the answer is that we’d be more secure by
not relying on NMD. It’s flawed and technologically suspect.
gisterme
- 11:40am Oct 15, 2003 EST (#
15096 of 15116)
lchic -
"...Gisterme - landmines from C20 will still be around
in C22 ... don't you think?..."
Well, I'm not going to dig 'em up. Are you? I don't recall
planting any.
"...A long-term danger without a die-by date ... and
it's people who die ........ at the time the mines are laid
and on and on ... but these people are others/elsewhere not
Americans.
Thank God for that. I'm also glad that the vast majority of
the live landmines abroad in the world are not of Amreican
origin.
"...Folks no longer pour 'hot tar' over each other in
warfare .... times move on!..."
Once again, I'll thank God for that. I'd rather have my
brains blown out. :-)
"... History - and the EU - shows us that fusing
countries into an economic block stops wars..."
How long's it been? Twenty years? I think it may be a bit
early to make that declaration. We'll see.
The US is a "fusion" of states, many bigger in size
physically and economically than many European nations. So
where do you get off with saying that the EU is some kind of a
leader in political "fusion" technology?
At any rate the "fusion" in the US hasn't prevented wars in
the rest of the world. I have to doubt that similar "fusion"
within the EU will do any different.
"...The world is a big trading block too - so why can't
it fuse together, in peace, to trade and maximise returns to
individuals who are seeking the highest quality of life - with
peace.
Okay. Let's do that.
"...What's the real difference between a neighbouring
county of yore and two neighbouring countries..."
Umm. Let me guess. One used to be your neighbor but the
other two are your neighbors now?
"...What are the similarities between two neighbouring
countries - of today and at war - and the counties of
yesterday?..."
They were of yesterday and at war? Not much difference that
I can see. Despite all the technological advancements, human
nature doesn't seem to have changed much.
So what's your point, lchic?
bluestar23
- 12:03pm Oct 15, 2003 EST (#
15097 of 15116)
Cooper:
" (MD) is not likely to work given certain fundamental
facts,"
What are these "fundamental" facts..?
wrcooper
- 12:06pm Oct 15, 2003 EST (#
15098 of 15116)
bluestar23
I provided links to reports detailing the basic problems
with Bush's NMD program. Have you read them yet? If not, I
will be happy to provide the links again.
Cheers
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