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Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an application of science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable, necessary or impossible?

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cantabb - 04:51pm Sep 26, 2003 EST (# 14030 of 14052)

lchic - 04:16pm Sep 26, 2003 EST (# 14026 of 14029)

Showalter an interesting set of posts re cooperative negotiation

http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?08@13.LpUabJXSJtR.0@.f28e622/15727

That opens NYT 'Member center' !

rshow55 - 06:46pm Sep 26, 2003 EST (# 14031 of 14052)
Can we do a better job of finding truth? YES. Click "rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have done and worked for on this thread.

"08" should be "8" after WebX?

The intended address is http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@13.LpUabJXSJtR.0@.f28e622/15727

rshow55 - 07:13pm Sep 26, 2003 EST (# 14032 of 14052)
Can we do a better job of finding truth? YES. Click "rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have done and worked for on this thread.

Bush Seeks Putin's Support on Iraq, Iran By REUTERS Published: September 26, 2003 Filed at 6:28 p.m. ET http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/politics/politics-bush-russia.html

CAMP DAVID, Md. (Reuters) - President Bush and Russian President Vladimir Putin opened talks on Friday expected to focus on postwar assistance to Iraq and concerns that Iran is trying to build a nuclear weapon.

Bush welcomed Putin to the Camp David mountaintop retreat with a hug and handshake as Putin stepped off a helicopter. They got into a golf cart and drove away, Bush at the wheel, for talks at a lodge tucked away in the leafy, heavily guarded surroundings.

A lot of posts on this thread since 13639-43 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@13.LpUabJXSJtR.0@.f28e622/15332 - but it seems to me that those posts bear rereading. Some things have changed some. 13639 begins:

It is vital that people be able to find out what happened when it matters enough.

I made that point in May 14, 2001 EST (#3870 - and almarst followed on with what I think is one of his most distinguished posts - a response to gisterme well worth reading almarst-2001 - 10:32pm May 14, 2001 EST (#3871 http://www.mrshowalter.net/a_md3000s/md3869.htm

I repeated the point, connecting it to one of my favorte limericks, in

. http://www.mrshowalter.net/a_md2000s/md2547.htm . . . . . . http://www.mrshowalter.net/a_md11000s/md11902.htm

The truth matters because we have to make decisions - other people have to make decisions - and both life and logic can be complicated.

I was asked to look for stability conditions in what Kline later called "sociotechnical systems" - and asked to find end games that resulted in stable, efficient, humane function by Eisenhower. 12444 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@13.LpUabJXSJtR.0@.f28e622/14097

As of now, the Bush administration refuses to face - or clarify - key questions about the logical structure, facts, weights, and team identifications and rules involved in their interaction with other groups and nations.

And refuses to face - or clarify - key questions about the logical structure, facts, weights, team identifications and rules involved in their interaction with American citizens.

That is a recipe for a "war of all against all" - an unraveling of decency - without any possibility of a decent end.

A child should be able to see that.

There have been some adjustments since then - or I've been wrong about some things - or both.

Along those postings I said something that offended gisterme - and he was partially in the right. And I thought about coming up with a limited apology.

When people don't know how to agree to disagree and still work together - any kind of apology is hard, and dangerous.

Cantabb asks SO ? on some points that are very practical indeed. It seems to me that cantabb ought to know that.

Lchic and I have been putting our primary efforts on this board toward establishing effective communication between nation states - so that risks of death and agony can go down. Have we been ineffective? Maybe. Bush and Putin will know something about that. We've tried to be useful MD1999 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@13.LpUabJXSJtR.0@.f28e622/2484

And we've done a lot of work on the nuts and bolts of missile defense, as well. 84-86 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@13.LpUabJXSJtR.0@.f28e622/99

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