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Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a
nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a
"Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed
considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense
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rshow55
- 12:57pm Sep 22, 2003 EST (#
13843 of 13847) Can we do a better job of finding
truth? YES. Click "rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have
done and worked for on this thread.
Cantabb http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@13.gUAmbPlIH6i.1117660@.f28e622/15535
, I really do hope to reply to you, if I can get around it -
but it does seem clear that you and I disagree about what
fairness is. What balance is. What matters in
context. We have different priorities.
I'm struck by the interesting things some other posters say
somewhat more than by your postings since 13963 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@13.gUAmbPlIH6i.1117660@.f28e622/15386
- just now. I was struck by posts by gisterme , who I
believe is an important person - a person, cantabb ,
who seems more important ( to me ) than you are.
( By the way, 13963 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@13.gUAmbPlIH6i.1117660@.f28e622/15386
contains this:
There's an unsolved problem in the world about end
games - and it is a big problem. ( examples ) . . .
n For stable end games - people and groups have to be
workably clear on these key questions. Especially if win-win
outcomes are to be possible. The questions are basic.
How do they disagree (agree) about
logical structure ?
How do they disagree (agree) about
facts ?
How do they disagree (agree) about questions
of how much different things matter ?
How do they differ in their team
identifications ?
Odds are good that if the patterns of agreement (or
disagreement) are STABLE and KNOWN they can be decently
accomodated.
Cantabb - according to your patterns - explicit and
implicit - how can any of those key questions be worked
out to clarity?
You say that it is cheating - that it is
unfair to do that things necessary to do so.
That's not a rare stance - but it does seem to me (and I
repeat this because I think it is important) that your
approach - which is a common one - is guaranteed to
produce divergence - not convergence - and, in the name of
"social rules" and "fairness" can produce strikingly ugly and
anti-social results. Are you largely motivated by hatred, and
fear of change, or am I missing something?
There seems to be a great urge to punish cheats in your
postings - http://www.mrshowalter.net/UrgeToPunishCheatsNotJustHumanButSelfless.htm
- - but I wonder how social - or anti social - the
consequences of your anger are - as they appy to me and this
thread.
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