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 [F] New York Times on the Web Forums  / Science  /

    Missile Defense

Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an application of science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable, necessary or impossible?

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fredmoore - 08:46am Sep 22, 2003 EST (# 13835 of 13840)

Gisterme,

"..."SCREW KAEP, we're going for GATTICA"..." Please don't overreact, Fred.

You'll have to take that up with Art Bell.

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    "The "roo" story is great, Fred. It goes to show that even animals can be grateful, caring and loyal. Of course anybody who's ever had a good dog knows that."

    It's really not the same thing now is it?

    Australia doesn't export dog meat to the US.

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    1. The administration of KAEP will be tedious and costly but orders of magnitude less so that a lone US MD shield. Also, I believe the US could and should afford to do both in order to cover all the possibilities in an uncertain future.

    2. Kyoto? "There's an old saying ... "Yesterday's failures are the stepping stones to Tomorrow's success"

    We have an OBLIGATION to past and future generations to call this concept KAEP. I don't believe Kyoto's impact on the world should be judged only by its ultimate failure.

    3."Power that has to travel about 600 miles is far more expensive than that which could be generated at a suitable location near the city."

    True enough, but ABUNDANCE makes that issue moot. The following article indicates the abundance possible. The foothills of the Rockies would be just the ticket for Ca. The money saved in relation to 'eradicated fossil fuel pollutants' would cover the cost of power transmission and indeed the initial R&D, by itself.>>>>>

    Hot dry rock geothermal energy has been a gleam in the eyes of renewable-energy boosters for more than 2 decades. But so far there's been no commercial production, although there are projects afoot in Europe and Japan. The Australian entry is Geodynamics, formed to exploit hot rocks in Cooper Basin, 1000 km north of Adelaide. It aims to complete a 4900-meter-deep well into 300-million-year-old granite this fall. It will then inject water to open up cracks and, eventually, produce steam to drive electricity-generating turbines. Cooper Basin "has the highest temperatures [over 250°C] at a depth of 3 to 5 km of any place on Earth outside of volcanic areas," says geologist Prame Chopra of Australian National University in Canberra, who is involved in the project. If it flies, he says, "there's enough energy in that one area to provide Australia's [electric] energy for hundreds of years."

    4. The reason there are no 600MW geothermal power stations has more to do with political and economic dependence on fossil fuels than it does on technical issues. KAEP would provide a powerful tool to break that NEXUS.

    5. How many acres would a 1-2 acre engineered wetland service?

    It would service it's entire localised catchment however many acres that would be. The wetland would store and treat thermodynamic energy from its catchment and provide a buffer against surrounding meteorological zones.

    Flathead lake is a bad example as it is not an engineered wetland and is not optimised to handle thermodynamic parameters for its catchment. Also, it is not in a strategic area as far as human habitation snd high Q thermodynamic zones are concerned.

    6. Leap of faith? There are no human studies I am aware of. However the 2nd law of Thermodynamics transcends human frailties and belief in anthropomorphic ideals. WE are thermodynamic entities whether we care for that notion or not. We are for better and worse subject to its laws. The trick is to manipulate conditions within the framework of those laws to achieve optimal sustainability.

    7. Explain the motivation of a megalomaniac in thermodynamic terms? I think I have done that in terms of the Human Laser concept. But even if you don't care for that approach there is always the fact that criminals exist at large only to the extent of weaknesses in social systems to arrest them. Remove the weaknesses and the maniacs cannot get a foothold.

    8. Lincoln and FDR?

    "Four score and seven years ago our

    fredmoore - 08:48am Sep 22, 2003 EST (# 13836 of 13840)

    Continued ....

    8. Lincoln and FDR?

    "Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal. ....................... that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."

    I wonder did he mean all men or all US citizens??

    All men are indeed the same and so the problem sets remain the same when there is an unfair and catastrophic division of equity. Lincoln and FDR's solutions are OUR solutions. The same anarchic calamities press upon us now in our time as they did upon Lincoln and FDR in theirs. Only the boundaries have changed.

    9."Many would argue that FDR's "New Deal" was only a short term bandaid and marginally successful. It was rescued by and got much undue credit for the econmomic boom that was actually fueled by WWII. "

    Given FDR's popularity based on his humanitarian ideals and Lincoln's Gettysburg address, in the total framework of US history, I find the above statement to be a very selective rationalisation. Which textbook does this come from?

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