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Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an application of science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable, necessary or impossible?

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rshow55 - 11:56am Sep 13, 2003 EST (# 13640 of 13644)
Can we do a better job of finding truth? YES. Click "rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have done and worked for on this thread.

13543 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@13.sPWMbt28FIe.9001104@.f28e622/15235 includes this:

"For workable arrangements - that are stable - it helps a lot if people agree on facts (not how they feel about them) and about the logical structure of what matters (not how they feel about it.)

"Agreement about "what happened, in detail" is often possible - in enough detail for cooperation and peace.

"But people and cultures are different - people are on different teams - and that can't be changed.

How people feel matters, too.

The question what's cheating is central to questions of what people are going to fight about.

Now, in my opinion - Gisterme was cheating when he posted 13544 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@13.sPWMbt28FIe.9001104@.f28e622/15236 - - because I think he was lying.

. Gisterme: "I will certainly not impersonate the President or any other government official."

I've posted strong suggestions that gisterme was connected to the Bush administration - and was actively misrepresenting that. http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?14@@.eea14e1/10363

I didn't come to the conclusion that gisterme was Bush quickly - and maybe I jumped to an incorrect conclusion. My early judgements were more guarded, and they were repeated. They were expressed as follows, in language that included deputy national security advisor Hadley. . .

I've suggested in MD6808 rshowalter 7/9/01 4:43pm. http://www.mrshowalter.net/a_md6000s/md6808.htm . . that gisterme , who has posted so extensively on this thread, could not have done so, without the knowledge and backing of the very highest levels of the Bush administration, including Rice , Rumsfeld , Armitage , Wolfowitz , Hadley , and their bosses.

A big problem is that - if checking is cheating - there are no stable solutions to key problems of world peace and prosperity.

Some very dangerous things are going monotonously wrong, again and again - in part because, with rules in place, and with exception handling standards as muddled as they are, it is cheating to do the things that could fix them.

. Overseers Missed Big Picture as Failures Led to Blackout By ERIC LIPTON, RICHARD PEREZ-PENA and MATTHEW L. WALD http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/13/national/13POWE.html

The story has a grim family resemblance to the shuttle disasters, to the screwups that left us vulnerable on on Sept 11, 2001 - and keep us vulnerable - and resemble a great deal else.

The kinds of problems involved could destroy the world.

Gisterme feels very strongly that it is cheating to work to solve these problems in any way that can be economical and effective. Bush does too, it seems.

almarst2003 - 01:34pm Sep 13, 2003 EST (# 13641 of 13644)

"If the Liberals lied to justify war in Vietnam, and lied to justify war in Iraq, what will they be lying about next time to justify another war?" - http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/09/13/1063341813780.html

gisterme - 05:54pm Sep 13, 2003 EST (# 13642 of 13644)

Showalter -

"...Gisterme feels very strongly that it is cheating to work to solve these problems in any way that can be economical and effective..."

That's a bald-faced lie, Robert, and you know it.

I've never said anyting about cheating on this forum that I recall and if I have used the word "cheat" or "cheating" it certainly wasn't in any context like the one that you're trying to fabricate.

You're doing exactly what you're trying to accuse me of by making the false accusation. Cheating.

I can take some consolation in knowing that I don't need to tell anybody else that. I only need to tell you. Nobody else is stupid enough to buy such tripe.

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