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lchic
- 07:23am Apr 13, 2003 EST (#
11275 of 11282) ~~~~ It got understood and exposed
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,936073,00.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/
http://www.economist.com/
lchic
- 07:30am Apr 13, 2003 EST (#
11276 of 11282) ~~~~ It got understood and exposed
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Fifty Five
- it's in/on the cards
- There's usually a
- J O K E R
- in the pack
- Who is the JOKER ?
gisterme
- 07:49am Apr 13, 2003 EST (#
11277 of 11282)
fredmoore - 06:20pm Apr 12, 2003 EST (# 11264 of
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http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@28.03kMaScq6KX.284159@.f28e622/12824
"...The real uneven yoking in the UN is not in the
military domain but in the domain of guaranteed freedom of
speech without fear of reprisal and particularly with an
emphasis on public access to mainstream media in forums such
as the one we currently frequent..."
That's an interesting idea, Fred! I've been trying to think
in terms of "size" somehow and then figure out how it's fair
for ants and fleas and termites to have as much weight as
lions, tigers and bears. That's the way the UN is right now
and it just can't work like that. I've been thinking along
lines like GDP or population and other more conventional ways
of "sizing" without much success.
However, the idea of giving a member nation weight at the
UN based on the degree of civil liberty within that nation is
really good. Somehow the magnitude of power or influence that
any member at the UN has needs to be proportional to the
quality of their society in terms of applied human rights.
I suppose to do that the UN would have to agree on
something like a global bill of rights or set of accepted
governmental priniples that would serve as a standard for
determining member voting status. Hmmm. There's plenty of food
for thought there, Fred. Full compliance with the Global Human
Rights Standard would be the "target result" that would also
be the motivation toward complance...if it could somehow be
tied to influence. In other words, you'd want to set up a
situation where doing the right thing pays off. Not
directly in money...but directly in improved human condition.
Improved human condition does lead to improved
prosperity. Unfortunately, as has been the case in Iraq,
"human condition" is not a concern to some leaders.
It's hard to imagine just how such a system could be set
up; but, it might be possible. "Size" still is a problem.
Would a country of 2 million that complied with every aspect
of the standard have more say than a country of 2 billion who
didn't comply with the standard? Perhaps the "compliance
factor" could be a multiplier ranging from 0 to 1 that would
be applied to a more conventionally "sized" basis.
Got any ideas? The first (rather cynical) idea that comes
to me is that it would be a whopping opportunity to create a
new "international" bureaucracy. :-) The potential for
corruption seems about as great as the potential for a good
result.
lchic
- 08:01am Apr 13, 2003 EST (#
11278 of 11282) ~~~~ It got understood and exposed
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Powell
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?
tmpl=story&u=/afp/20030413/wl_mideast_afp/iraq_war_britain_us&cid=1514&ncid=1473
http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?50@@.4a911214/0
lchic
- 08:15am Apr 13, 2003 EST (#
11279 of 11282) ~~~~ It got understood and exposed
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Tikrit
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/04/13/sprj.irq.war.main/index.html
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Putin - war aim not achieved
Wolfowitz said Thursday that Russia, France and Germany
could contribute to rebuilding Iraq by agreeing Baghdad did
not have to repay the tens of billions of dollars in loans
taken out by Saddam.
"On the whole the proposal is understandable and
legitimate," Putin was quoted as saying.
"In any event, Russia has no objection to such a proposal."
France and Germany were less keen on the idea, simply
saying it was too early to discuss debt.
Russia is believed to be owed up to $12 billion, with
France owed about $8 billion and Germany more than $4 billion.
Putin is also likely to face objections to agreeing to the
proposal from the Russian parliament and his finance minister.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/europe/04/12/sprj.irq.russia.putin/index.html
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