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Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an application of science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable, necessary or impossible?

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rshow55 - 05:09pm Apr 4, 2003 EST (# 11097 of 11100)
Can we do a better job of finding truth? YES. Click "rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have done and worked for on this thread.

10804-5 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@28.ZxUVaJ9l6EU.0@.f28e622/12355

The NYT cares about this thread, or it would have closed long ago. The Bush administration does as well - neither gisterme's posting's nor jorian310's are happening by accident.

Postings like 10765 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@28.ZxUVaJ9l6EU.0@.f28e622/12316 , give some evidence of interest.

10579-81 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@28.ZxUVaJ9l6EU.0@.f28e622/12129 starts

I've guessed that that gisterme is a personage of considerable rank, and gisterme has posted extensively, and impressively, on this board. One can see much of that impressive posting by searching " gisterme" - and sampling the content. But that doesn't show most of it.

8368 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@28.ZxUVaJ9l6EU.0@.f28e622/9894 links to 680 postings by gisterme prior to restarting of this thread on March of this year. All these posts are available by date at http://www.mrshowalter.net/calendar1.htm

Each of these links connects to 20 links on the current MD thread by gisterme:

8370 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@28.ZxUVaJ9l6EU.0@.f28e622/9896

8371 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@28.ZxUVaJ9l6EU.0@.f28e622/9897

8372 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@28.ZxUVaJ9l6EU.0@.f28e622/9900

8373 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@28.ZxUVaJ9l6EU.0@.f28e622/9899

8374 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@28.ZxUVaJ9l6EU.0@.f28e622/9900

8375 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@28.ZxUVaJ9l6EU.0@.f28e622/9901

8376 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@28.ZxUVaJ9l6EU.0@.f28e622/9902

8378 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@28.ZxUVaJ9l6EU.0@.f28e622/9904

8379 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@28.ZxUVaJ9l6EU.0@.f28e622/9905

Judging from the number and quality of these postings - and perhaps biased by a too much respect for the status of the NYT, I've guessed that gisterme might be George W. Bush himself. That may well be wrong, and gisterme has repeatedly denied it. Even so, it does seem likely that gisterme has very close connections with the Bush administration, and high ones.

I think the following posting by gisterme is especially interesting . . . gisterme - 06:43pm Mar 14, 2003 EST (# 9944 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@28.ZxUVaJ9l6EU.0@.f28e622/11489

10725 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@28.ZxUVaJ9l6EU.0@.f28e622/12275

We have things to check - and Americans, and people with power in other nation states - should insist that they are checked.

One can say with some justice, I think, that gisterme cares about what I post on this thread. I commented on the Azores meeting. I conceded that, after negotiation I talked a lot about , it was time to act - - and this is what gisterme said. 10082 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@28.ZxUVaJ9l6EU.0@.f28e622/11627:

" By Jove, I think you finally "get it", Robert! Whew! Getting you to understand that was harder than being dragged through a knothole. "

Things on this thread are not happening by accident, and I believe that if information worked out here was used - the incidence of agony and death from war could be shifted way down - and most problems of complex human cooperation - or complex problem solving - scientific or social - could be better handled.

Anyway. Lchic and I keep working at the thread. That's no accident. You can check that.

almarst2003 - 05:30pm Apr 4, 2003 EST (# 11098 of 11100)

If you proceed much further down the slippery slope, people around the world will stop admiring the good things about you. They'll decide that your city upon the hill is a slum and your democracy is a sham, and therefore you have no business trying to impose your sullied vision on them. They'll think you've abandoned the rule of law. They'll think you've fouled your own nest.

http://www.iht.com/articles/92026.html

mazza can live with it. After all, he KNOWS US is above and better then anything this old World ever managed to produce, no pitty to destroy it all.

And, once done, all will followe the "leader". But, what if not?

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