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Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a
nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a
"Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed
considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense
initiatives more successful? Can such an application of
science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable,
necessary or impossible?
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almarst2003
- 03:28pm Mar 30, 2003 EST (#
10796 of 10801)
The stable cyclical pattern:
ARROGANCE-IGNORANCE-FAILOR
The fierce resistance that British and American troops have
encountered must have come as a very unpleasant surprise to
Tony Blair and George Bush. They assumed Saddam Hussein was so
unpopular and isolated that the Iraqi people would welcome the
troops as liberators and help them to overthrow his regime.
But the popular uprising has not materialised. However much
they detest Saddam's regime, a great many Iraqis view the
coalition forces as invaders rather than liberators. Our
leaders gravely underestimated the force of Iraqi nationalism.
Blair and Bush seem unaware, or only dimly aware, of the
crucial role Iraqi history plays in shaping popular attitudes
to the conflict. Iraqis are not an inert mass whose sentiments
can be switched on and off to serve the agenda of outside
powers.
They are a proud and patriotic people with a long
collective memory. Britain and America feature as anything but
benign in this collective memory. Blair has repeatedly
emphasised the moral argument behind the resort to force to
depose an evil dictator. Over the past century, however,
Britain rarely occupied the high moral ground in relation to
Iraq.
The US has even less of a claim on the trust and goodwill
of the Iraqi people after its calamitous failure to support
the popular insurrection against Saddam and his henchmen in
March 1991.
Iraq was only one element in the victors' peace which was
imposed on the Middle East in the aftermath of World War I
without any reference to the wishes of the people. Iraq's
borders were delineated to serve British commercial and
strategic interests.
http://www.observer.co.uk/iraq/story/0,12239,925666,00.html
lchic
- 03:43pm Mar 30, 2003 EST (#
10797 of 10801) ~~~~ It got understood and exposed
~~~~
The torture
The beatings
The rape
The killings
The repression
imposed by Saddam and Sons
was hidden
unseen
--
People from Iraq
dare not speak the name of Saddam
in case someone is listening
knowing
the punishment
------
The media are picking up pictures of civillian dead, some
young in age, and hitting the hearts of the 'world'
The media didn't pick up images of people being beaten on
the soles of their feet
whipped
hit with rifles in front of their families
------
There needs to be a sense of proportion
as to why Iraq
needs a clean-up
rshow55
- 04:05pm Mar 30, 2003 EST (#
10798 of 10801)
Can we do a better job of finding truth? YES. Click
"rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have done and worked for
on this thread.
U.S. Officials Vehemently Counter War Doubts By JOEL
BRINKLEY http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/30/international/worldspecial/30CND-POLI.html
Gen. Richard B. Myers, chairman of the Joint
Chiefs of Staff, added, "Nobody ever promised a short war."
In fact, several senior members of the Bush
administration did expect a short war last year during the
internal debate over whether to attack Iraq.
"Support for Saddam, including within his
military organization, will collapse with the first whiff of
gunpowder," Richard Perle, who resigned last week as
chairman of the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board, predicted
last summer. Vice President Dick Cheney and others made
similar statements, some as recently as two weeks ago,
helping to set up the problems the administration is facing
now.
What Perle and Cheney said wasn't Gen.Myers' fault. Still,
the attitude, as also shown vividly gisterme - 06:43pm Mar
14, 2003 EST (# 9944 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@28.4qGpaSyu6vx.2374764@.f28e622/11489
seems to be behind some very questionable decisions.
People at gisterme's civilian level can put military
people into awkward circumstances. Circumstances that are more
difficult when officers, in the heat of the moment, forget
what key civilians said and argued. 10766 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@28.4qGpaSyu6vx.2374764@.f28e622/12316
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