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Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an application of science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable, necessary or impossible?

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rshow55 - 09:13am Mar 26, 2003 EST (# 10527 of 10533)
Can we do a better job of finding truth? YES. Click "rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have done and worked for on this thread.

10484 - http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@28.05dna30h59t.0@.f28e622/12033

I don't know what's in this proposal, but the idea of making peace now - in ways that meet the reasonable needs of all concerned, looking at the situation as it is - makes great sense - and if it could be successfully accomplished it would be a great step forward for the world.

. Saudis Make Peace Proposal to U.S., Iraq By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS Filed at 11:44 a.m. ET http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/international/AP-War-Saudi-Iraq.html

There is some matching that we need to do - to find out ways to make things better, step by step - and the Saudis are important people to work with. 10434 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@28.05dna30h59t.0@.f28e622/11983

There is a vital distinction. It is the distinction between valid statements in different frames of reference and muddle.

Muddle that is intentional unintentional. In the ways those words can be meaningful.

One can believe in absolute truth about basic things - especially basic physical things - and facts about real events - including facts about interconnections - and yet acknowledge that there can be many different perspectives about these facts - many different cultural views of these facts. Many maps. Many valid maps.

It is important to be able to tell the difference between different perspectives and muddle or lies.

lchic - 09:19am Mar 26, 2003 EST (# 10528 of 10533)
~~~~ It got understood and exposed ~~~~

Perspectives

Muddle

Lies

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Visions

Nightmares

Conmen

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lchic - 09:22am Mar 26, 2003 EST (# 10529 of 10533)
~~~~ It got understood and exposed ~~~~

A good leader - would know when to 'walk'

Tyrants staying to the 'bitter' end

Assit the destruction of themselves, their culture, and people .....

If Saddam had 'walked', had took the money

Then those dead and suffering from the actions of past days would all be alive and healthy

Why can't he figure that out ?

rshow55 - 09:35am Mar 26, 2003 EST (# 10530 of 10533)
Can we do a better job of finding truth? YES. Click "rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have done and worked for on this thread.

Maybe a lot of people have trouble figuring things out.

rshowalter - 11:53am Sep 30, 2002 BST (#328 http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?14@@.ee7a163/350 includes this:

Lchic and I have been proceeding with our work on the NYT MD forum on the assumption (or fiction) that it is monitored by staffed organizations - and I'm posting this selection of links on the basis of that assumption. (for details, click rshowalter ). At a time when basic patterns of international law are being renegotiated, the discourse may be of interest to specialists - and the channel it represents may be of international use. If we're proceeding on the basis of a fiction, it is a fiction that may protype patterns that are not fictional at some later time.

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A key point about stability, and a story connected to Nash's background, mine, and Psychwar, Casablanca . . . and terror 4530-4531 <a href="/webin/WebX?14@28.05dna30h59t.0@.f28e622/5722">rshow55 9/25/02 3:06pm</a>

Here's an old posting from Psychwar by a very able poster - I can't guess who he is, but he says something perceptive here:

Tony50 - 12:13pm Jan 11, 2001 BST (#109 http://talk.guardian.co.uk/WebX?14@@.ee7a163/113

"As far as I could see, you hope to reform world opinion by means of a process of reforming logical thought. If I'm right in that, I'm afraid that you must face up to the fact that our generation is not noted for its capacity for logical thought, even in quite high places.

"And the trouble is, even if you can achieve 99.9% acceptance of the logic of your position, the 1 in 1,000 who doesn't see it your way can bring the whole thing down in ruins.

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If we get just a little more logic straight - we might not do perfectly - but we might do better than we're doing. There's room for improvement.

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