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Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a
nation's war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a
"Star Wars" defense system, has technology changed
considerably enough to make the latest Missile Defense
initiatives more successful? Can such an application of
science be successful? Is a militarized space inevitable,
necessary or impossible?
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rshow55
- 08:56am Mar 26, 2003 EST (#
10522 of 10527) 
Can we do a better job of finding truth? YES. Click
"rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have done and worked for
on this thread.
We need less bulls*it - a sense of reality - a sense of the
past that is true. The words of Ruby Tuesday by the Rolling
Stones work for me here. We're going wrong because we aren't
straight about our past - or even willing to talk about it. http://www.mrshowalter.net/a_md01000s/md1224_1230.htm
If people don't understand what a terrible box I've been in
since AEA failed, think about the words of Ruby Tuesday
http://www.mrshowalter.net/a_md01000s/md1224_1230.htm
(I liked the flip side, too.)
The Russians need a past, so that they can construct a
workable future. So do we. People all over the world have the
same needs. And for all sorts of entirely practical reasons,
and deep emotional reasons, it is important that our past be
true in the ways that matter when we have to refer to
it for action, or for consideration of related things.
If we got just a few things straight - the horrors we're
facing - the terrible dangers we're facing - could be
resolved.
I need help, to do any more than post on this board.
lchic
- 08:57am Mar 26, 2003 EST (#
10523 of 10527)
~~~~ It got understood and exposed
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Colin Powell
spoke of MORALITY
wrt the people of Iraq moving out
from under a dictatorship
Powell, one concludes(?), is for changes in International
Law that have concern for the human within the inhuman State.
rshow55
- 09:02am Mar 26, 2003 EST (#
10524 of 10527)
Can we do a better job of finding truth? YES. Click
"rshow55" for some things Lchic and I have done and worked for
on this thread.
almarst2003 - 10521 has a great citation
Bin Ladden to USA - "I Want YOU To Invade Iraq" - http://www.tompaine.com/op_ads/opad.cfm/ID/7434
"Go ahead. Saddam will quickly fall, but that won’t make
the world safer or more secure. . . . If we did the
things required to make order possible (including logical
order) we could make the world safer and more secure.
Not just for ourselves.
Blair, from where he is now, could set that up if some
other leaders backed him - and if he asked other leaders to be
as forthright (flaws and all) as he is himself.
Some key patterns repeat, again and again and again. In
our logic, in our brains, and in the world.
I started the year on the Missile Defense board with this:
(# 7177 http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?8@28.S5Z7aet75T8.1557756@.f28e622/8700
"I think this is a year where some lessons are going to
have to be learned about stability and function of
international systems, in terms of basic requirements of
order , symmetry , and harmony - at the
levels that make sense - and learned clearly and explicitly
enough to produce systems that have these properties by
design, not by chance. I think there's a good deal to
hope for. This, I think, is clear. Order is necessary.
Symmettry and harmony as well. That means that we can do
much better than the chaos and disconnection of the
Treaty of Westphalia - and that it is important that we do so.
We need to negotiate workable, just structures of
international law into being. We don't have them now.
lchic
- 09:03am Mar 26, 2003 EST (#
10525 of 10527)
~~~~ It got understood and exposed
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Good that the Senate cut the 'tax-back' for the rich ....
who can most afford to assist in help pay for this war.
There'll be a tax-levy soon!
lchic
- 09:07am Mar 26, 2003 EST (#
10526 of 10527)
~~~~ It got understood and exposed
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'we don't have them now'
No - that's why there is so much confusion ... people out
on the streets marching have a gut-feeling that WAR is WRONG
... they now see 'others' .... those killed and maimed, as
people. People just like themselves!
Remember the Kidnapped person ... the longer s/he is
with the captor, the more likely it is that the captor sees
the person - as just that - A PERSON. A valued person -- not
to be trashed!
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