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Technology has always found its greatest consumer in a nation's
war and defense efforts. Since the last attempts at a "Star Wars"
defense system, has technology changed considerably enough to make
the latest Missile Defense initiatives more successful? Can such an
application of science be successful? Is a militarized space
inevitable, necessary or impossible?
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rshow55
- 10:35am Mar 28, 2002 EST (#896
of 900)
Almarst , you are WINNING some important arguments --
things you've been concerned with, and arguing for, since March 2,
2001 are getting much wider attention, throughout the world, than
they've had before.
lchic
3/28/02 1:24am . . . points out some reasons for hope. And there
are many others.
I think your arguments in MD887 almarst-2001
3/27/02 11:39pm and MD888 almarst-2001
3/27/02 11:45pm
are eloquent and worth much attention. All the same - it is too
easy to "deny others the right to speak" -- though often there are
"good reasons" for the cutting off of communication.
With communication, quite often, things do converge - and there
can be good consequences. Rules of order matter a good deal -- and
injustices are big. But when people are "connecting the same dots"
they often come to agree - - if not on everything, on enough that
situations improve from what they would have been.
Progress sometimes gets made. Status positions change. Ideas do
change. For instance, Putin's international position and Russia's
position, is far higher than it was a year ago, when Muddle In
Moscow http://www.economist.com/displayStory.cfm?Story_ID=533129
was printed. And Russia is running better. Perhaps, in part, because
of communications between people who weren't talking before.
Progress, in a world which is very complicated, where consent is
required, depends on persuasion
MD252 rshow55
3/7/02 7:56pm ... MD481 rshow55
3/13/02 6:22pm
The status of "missile defense" in world opinion has shifted a
great deal.
It seems to me that there are possibilities of great progress,
ugly as the world is. And plenty of room for it.
almarst-2001
- 10:49am Mar 28, 2002 EST (#897
of 900)
Britain issues first warning of Libyan missile strike - http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/breaking_3.html
The list of "evils" is still open...;)
lchic
- 11:03am Mar 28, 2002 EST (#898
of 900)
Bush/Blair... not normal times. If the leaders of the US
and British governments are united by any single belief in the
post-September 11 era, it is the belief that they have an
overriding right and a duty to decide what must be done, and to
whom, almost regardless of public opinion, factual analysis and
common sense.
Sad to say, both George Bush and Tony Blair have been largely
allowed to get away with that approach over the past six months.
In both countries, the shock and anger that followed 9/11 led to a
general suspension of judgment.
rshow55
- 11:11am Mar 28, 2002 EST (#899
of 900)
Almarst , if you were a leader of Russia, or China, what
would you ask the leader of America to do -- what would you want
American voters to understand?
At one level, "sound bite" sized statements may work -- do you
have some?
At other levels, you need details. Any details in mind?
You've used the phrase "there wouldn't be any problem if . . . .
"
What, in your views, are the ifs?
I'd like some questions of detail about missile defense answered,
and these larger questions answered, too:
. What is the real national interest of the
United States? Not just the interest of the
military-industrial complex.
and
. Can the United States be honest enough and
trustworthy enough about what it asks for, and agrees to, so that
its interests can be reasonably, efficiently, justly accomodated
by the rest of the world?
MD877 rshow55
3/27/02 3:54pm
Almarst, what would your questions be? If you could "wave a magic
wand" and persuade the American people of some things (things that
are factually true, and ideas that fit facts) what would those
things be?
lchic
- 11:11am Mar 28, 2002 EST (#900
of 900)
Afghan War Is a Lab for U.S. Innovation New Technologies Are
Tested in Battle http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A16892-2002Mar25.html
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