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Russian military leaders have expressed concern about US plans
for a national missile defense system. Will defense technology be
limited by possibilities for a strategic imbalance? Is this just SDI
all over again?
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rshowalter
- 08:38am Jun 13, 2001 EST (#4983
of 4984) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
Almarst , you have an important case to make -- and it
needs to be made, so that it persuades, and fits with the known
facts, in the complicated, compromised world we live in.
If that case is effectively made, throughout the world --
then the chances of a secular redemptive solution, for all
concerned, and much greater peace and hope all over the world,
becomes real.
If the US faced up to what it has done -- so everyone could be
"reading from the same page" -- and a reasonable number of proactive
steps were taken -- we'd have real peace. According to interests
widely shared.
I thought your MD4968 almarst-2001
6/12/01 11:30pm . . . was tremendously impressive -- and that it
needs to be reconciled, at the level of fact, with the arguments of
Midmoon and others, including sometimes, gisterme.
In Bush Defends His Policies on First Day of Europe Visit
by DAVID STOUT http://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/12/world/12CND-BUSH.html
Bush said this:
" Europe and the United States are united by a
single set of fundamental values, and with that unity, there is
much we can accomplish,"
It needs to become true -- in ways that can be checked - and
with everyone "reading from the same page" about the facts that
matter.
Almarst, if only you WERE closely connected to the Russian
government ! One leader of a nation state, with a few phone calls,
might be able to raise the money required to MAKE the necessary
cases, so that they were solid, and easily checked, using mechanisms
illustrated on this thread. It would be a few millions perhaps --
enough for serious staffing -- and it could be done.
It would have to involve a number of interests - it couldn't be
an obscure talk thread, tucked away in one newspaper.
We need to get some things to closure. From time to time, there
will have to be umpiring -- George Johnson (aka Dirac) illustrates
the discourse techniques that can keep anything from closure
-- and those techniques need to be contained. It takes some
staffing. Not much, but some.
almarst, you say something very important in MD4968:
" My whole goal is to find out how many of your
kind live in this country and to what extend they shape up the US
policy and influence the "American way of life" as was shown in
Iraq and Yugoslavia.
" My sad conclusion is - very many and very
strong, covering the whole spectrum from "left" to "right". I wish
I am wrong. But I do not think any reasonable and honest people
around the world can that easily discard this dreadful
possibility.
***
Your point is very important, and making that point to you and
others has been the central motivation for this thread -- because
I've seen no hope unless the point is made, and dealt with.
You state an important case. If the truth behind that case,
modified by fact based connection to other minds, were no longer
"somehow too weak" -- if the case was made, and the persuasive jobs
done -- then the US would reform herself (because most
Americans are NOT like Dirac) and we'd live in a safer, more
honorable world.
rshowalter
- 08:42am Jun 13, 2001 EST (#4984
of 4984) Robert Showalter
showalte@macc.wisc.edu
Correction: making that point to you and others has been
my central motivation for working on this thread.
Linked to concerns, that I find very real, that the world could
end, because so much has been so wrong, for so long -- and
misunderstanding and bad decisions are so many, and go so deep.
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